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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-28 07:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #2795 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2795 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]


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[Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers]


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[Jeeves and Wooster]


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[Yahtzee/Zero Punctuation]


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[Markiplier]


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[Jackie Chan Adventures]


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[The Parent Trap]


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[Alexander]


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[Starsky and Hutch]











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(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
getting asked "what" you are is a pretty distinctive experience of mixed raced people though- and his heritage is a plot point, right?

if he was default white nobody would bother asking

(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
that's still pretty far from "he is obviously and unambiguously stated to be non-white in the first chapter"

(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
it's even further away from "he is obviously and unambigiously stated to be a WHITE character" though

(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
No, it's about the same distance away.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-29 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, but the problem is that you are just assuming "white" until proven otherwise.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-29 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
And you are just assuming "Non-white" until proven otherwise.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-29 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
da

Nope. You're trying to evade the fact that in order to assume he's white, there are details and clues you're going to have to miss, ignore or willfully misintepret.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-30 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You're trying to evade the fact that in order to assume he's NOT white, there are details and clues you're going to have to miss, ignore or willfully misinterpret.

Of course I don't necessarily think this is true, because I don't believe the response I was parroting is true, but I do think it is as true.

What detail have I missed, ignored or wilfully misinterpreted I the first chunk of the book?

(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
My husband is "default white" but also fairly swarthy and generically ethnic-looking. His dad is Scandanavian and his mom is Austrian. Go figure.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
ethnic-looking, lol

(Anonymous) 2014-08-28 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, it's his white heratige that is the plot point.

Also, they don't ask "what" they ask "If" that's how I read it.
That is not unique to mixed race. I recall back when I was 7/8, a teacher asked "Are you an arab?" because, I assume, I tanned like a motherfucker and stayed tanned most the year. My response back then was much the same as shadows "I dunno". I later that day learned what the teacher was asking. I am not, in case you are wondering, an arab. But the teacher asked because it was ambiguous. my ambiguous ethnicity was in fact white.
and as shadows ethnicity was the same level of ambiguous, there is no reason to assume he is POC or PONC
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-08-29 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm "default white" and I get asked quite a lot actually. A lot also depends on your facial structure, accent and language, he way you carry yourself, the way you dress etc.

Now I agree that in a work of fiction that very likely indicated the author wanted to say something about heritage.

But to the reader, that experience does not necessarily need to convey "he's mixed race".