[ SECRET POST #2798 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2798 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly don't find it funny at all. Not because it's offensive - I think it points to some recurrent issues with Moffat's writing - but I just don't think it's a funny joke. It's really old-fashioned and hackneyed. Like, that's a dinner theater level, "Men do like this, women do like this" joke.

[sarillia]

Same.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is normal... Not everyone laughs at the same things.

I don't think I've found an comedy released in the last ten years amusing, for instance.

[(Anonymous)]

Not even Brooklyn 99?

[(Anonymous)]

I was actually thinking more along the lines of movies, but no, actually...

[(Anonymous)]

You don't find Holt to be hilarious?

What comedy movies have there been in the last decade? I can't even think of one? That is so bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Its a Saturday dinner comedy-drama show for families that like to order a pizza and crash out on the sofa together. So, if you think that is the level of the joke, well, they've pretty much nailed the audience level. Doctor Who is not soul searing drama, whatever some of the powerfans think, it is dinner time viewing. Same as the Christmas episodes the fandom hates, are broadcast in a timeslot to be viewed by an audience that has eaten themselves into a turkey and roast potato coma.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm fine with Doctor Who being goofy and for families. I think you can write for those audiences and still decent jokes that are at least a bit original, though. Writing for that audience doesn't require that you write badly, and a joke as dumb as that is just bad writing.

For me, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Well it is a good job that Doctor Who hasn't done that then. Kthanxbye

[(Anonymous)]

This fact is what drove me most crazy about the "joke", to be honest. I try really hard to protect my children from that sort of "Men are monkeys/girls are shallow/whatever" rhetoric; I can't control what they hear elsewhere, but I can provide guidance at home. Moffat's run has tipped over from "Hey, sometimes I need to point out that X isn't okay" and straight into "Nope, you don't need to watch your gender be degraded and sidelined multiple times an episode." And that seems to apply for both my son and daughter, funnily enough- I don't think Moffat has written a female character that doesn't define herself in relation to some man, and the "feminist" pandering illustrated by that god-awful joke isn't any better.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh lord, this is why colleges and schools have to spend so much time properly socializing kids and young adults. You are causing them problems that will make it harder for them to fit in, and that other people will have to fix. Teach your kids not to take things seriously, and to be able to take inconsequential jokes instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Ta for the assumptions. My children are perfectly well-socialised. And it's the internet and you'll probably just go "Of course you think so, since they are your special snowflakes", so I'm not all that interested in arguing the point. There's no denying they get the constant message that girls are this way and boys are that way* and a hundred other insidious and harmful ideas, and if I can reduce that number until they develop the capacity to look at things critically, why not? My naturally inclined to be short-and-dumpy daughter recently turned five. She already has the relatives she takes after bemoaning their figures and normalising dieting and food guilt. She has school teaching an approach to nutrition that is really fricking flawed. If I have two books in my hand and one of them shows a gorilla lamenting that she will never be loved because she's fat (seriously), I'm going to buy the other one instead.


*On that note, the fact that Clara's "shoot and cry about it later" comment was supposed to be a JOKE is about a hundred times worse than Vastra. Because I see FIVE YEAR OLDS get that message in all seriousness, from the people that are supposed to nurture them. Men don't cry, men don't feel, grow up you pansy. They aren't going to pick up the subtle nuances of that scene, but they are going to get the idea that being "weak" was something to laugh at.