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⌈ Secret Post #2799 ⌋

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ok so she wasnt born with it, she bought it, but now it's a part of her so i guess i dont see the big damn deal in being proud of what is a part of her body regardless of how she came to have it. i dont like that shes insulting other women, ive said it elsewhere and i'll say it again, it's not necessary to bring down other to bring yourself up, and it's certainly not feminist. but it's also not feminist, even in retaliation, to point out that she's "fake" for having surgery done.

the secret reads like this: "i don't see nicki minaj as being feminist, because she's said some genuinely unfeminist things in her songs. and btw her ass is sooo fake." it's not necessary whatsoever, it doesn't support the argument that her lyrics arent always feminist or empowering for women as a collective. if anything it makes the argument fallacious and hypocritical.

Pointing out hypocrisy isn't feminist or unfeminist, it's a neutral thing.

Nobody is saying "fake" but you. You are the one that brought "fake" up. We are pointing out the fact that she had implants then is dissing women who have not had implants for looking like women who have not had implants. That's it.

it's not hypocrisy to insult women without asses just because you used to not have one. it's not nice, and mocking women for their body types isn't feminist, but it's not hypocritical.

if you didnt consider implants fake ass cheeks then you wouldnt have a problem with her getting them, honestly. it's the same sentiment. mind your own business tbh.

What's wrong with you, where are you getting this from?

I don't have a problem with her getting them, wtf. She can get all the implants she likes, I don't care. More power to her. I think she looks great.

I dislike that she's glorifying this ideal body image that women cannot attain without implants, then dissing other women for not having the unattainable body. That is the exact same thing the rest of society does. That is all.

then i agree with you here, and i must have misunderstood what you were trying to tell me. i don't like that she is shaming, period, with or without her implants (especially bc getting implants is expensive and not everybody can afford that so it's not an easy "fix" to get on her level or w/e)

Wait. Are you assuming we're all the same anon?

Uh, that's what implants ARE. They are, by definition, fake.

yeah thats literally what im saying

that's why i used "her ass is fake" in place of "her ass has implants"

I feel like you're purposely missing what is being said to you.

no i'm getting it, it just sounds like more crybaby body shaming which is exactly what y'all are kicking up a fuss about regarding nicki's lyrics.

i don't agree with the lyrics in question at all. i also don't agree with pointing out her implants like it matters.

No, you're really not getting it.

She seems to find something wrong with skinny women. Having been skinny herself, she modified her body, and now tells other skinny women that they're ugly bitches. That's why it annoys people and that's why the implants are relevant. The implication is "you need to change yourself, too."

If she just got implants and was like "yes, I love my ass," then there'd be absolutely nothing wrong with that and anyone who had a problem with it could rightfully be accused of shaming her.

If she just got implants and was like "yes, I love my ass," then there'd be absolutely nothing wrong with that and anyone who had a problem with it could rightfully be accused of shaming her.

+1 to this whole comment.

I'm the anon from the thread below trying to explain as well.

the implants themselves are thus not the focus here. the focus should be on her shaming of a certain body type. once again, mentioning her implants is unimportant. you wouldn't overlook her shaming if she had just been born with the ass she has now. in addition with or without the implants nicki does have some body fat which is normal and fine obviously but in comparison with many women she isn't and wasn't stick skinny like society instructs women to be. her ass implants didn't suddenly make her not-as-skinny-as-the-girls-she's-trashing. i'm saying that the implants don't make a notable difference, and i think point them out in the style that op did is really sketchy. if you MUST bring up her implants there's a more eloquent way to do it without acting like without the implants she would be excused.

"acting like without the implants she would be excused"

Who said this?

Is it the thread below? Is saying assault is "less bad" than murder "excusing assault" now?

that's the implication i'm getting from the secret because it literally pointed out the gross lyrics and wrote IMPLANTS on her butt and that was it. if that's your argument ("she's trashing a group of women for their bodies but she has implants") then yeah it definitely sounds like the "but" part of that observation ends at the implants.

The implants are absolutely relevant. I don't really get how you don't see this. She's talking about other women and comparing their bodies to the one she bought for herself; how is the buying of her ideal body not relevant here? If she weren't dissing other women for it, it wouldn't be relevant. If she were dissing them because they had or lacked a feature she didn't modify with money, then the feature she does have would be irrelevant. But she's specifically talking about the feature she bought, so yeah, it's relevant.

Thank you. This is it exactly. It's the hypocrisy of going out and buying your own ideal body and then shaming other people who don't have it when you didn't have it either until you bought it.

Coupled with the fact that VERY few people can actually afford plastic surgery like that, even if they wanted it...yeah.

Hypothetical:
If instead of changing her body shape by surgery, she had eaten more fatty foods, and exercised less to achieve a "none skinny bitch" body.
would that change anything?

you don't get an ass like that by being a fatass tho

this is also true

Think of it like a video game.

Example #1 is someone who works hard and gains skills to beat everyone else in the world, then turns around and calls everyone pathetic noobs. But the given here is that no normal person expects to ever be able to play on that level. She's one of the super lucky 0.0001% of the world that has the manual dexterity, natural reflexes, and dedication to the game to be able to do that, and as such, her views are skewed. Plus, everyone can admit that this person is literally just lucky and naturally better. Compared to her we are all noobs.

Example #2 is someone, no matter what work they've done or skills they have, who uses the cash shop to beat everyone else in the world, then turns around and calls everyone pathetic noobs. She's not actually a better player than the rest of us, and in fact she's sucked and been a noob just like the rest of us too, which she has forgotten or is ignoring. Only one day, she paid for this limited edition uber item set only available to a few exclusive people with the money and access to the cash shop, and now she thinks she's better than everyone else and has no sympathy for the normal player group she used to be part of. Everyone without her exclusive, cash-only uber item set is a pathetic noob! Including everyone too poor to buy it.

Is it good that either person is calling everyone pathetic noobs? No. But hearing that from the paid-items player is way more infuriating than hearing it from the player who earned her place through skill.

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diet_poison - 2014-09-02 17:45 (UTC) - Expand

Of course. I mean, she'd still be an asshole for body-shaming other women, but the added issues of hypocrisy and classism wouldn't be there.

I'm not trying to say that would be "desirable" or anything. I mean it's better if people just don't body-shame other people. But the specific circumstances of this instance are particularly nasty imo.

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