[ SECRET POST #2802 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2802 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Warriors]


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[Harry Potter]


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[Sweet Fuse: At Your Side]


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[Stargate Atlantis]


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[Black M]


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[The Lyon's Den]


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[Hannah Simone]


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[Bouletcorp]


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Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

OP:

[(Anonymous)]

When I was in 5th grade, the Golden Compass movie came out, my school actually handed out pamphlets to the kids (presumably to show to their parents) I didn't exactly understand what was going on, so I don't really remember the specifics that they warned about, but they basically said to not see the movie.

I've never read any of Pullman's books (mostly due to the fact I'm not very interested) so I can't exactly judge to what degree his antitheism is present in the book.

I find antitheism extremely shitty, partially because it makes atheists who are decent people (i.e. most atheists) look bad and that it's also really fucking disrespectful and smug. I've heard that his proselytizing gets pretty blatant (I could easily be wrong however) but it's kind of uncomfortable how the Warriors series just casually drops in negative stereotypes of atheists, making it even more easy for a child to just absorb it without questioning it.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

So atheist kids can't even have book that represent them now?

Re: OP:

[lunabee34]

I might be misunderstanding OP, but I think OP is saying that atheists are poorly represented in the Warriors series which made child!OP think badly of atheists because OP really liked the series.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

OP: yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. Thanks

Re: OP:

[lunabee34]

No prob. :)

Re: OP:

[feotakahari]

As someone who probably qualifies as an atheist, I can't say I found Pullman's books particularly representative of me even as a kid. I was looking for something that would respond to, and maybe argue politely with, Christian narratives, and he seemed more inclined to wage war against them.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

OP again: No, I didn't say that. I have absolutely no problem with atheist characters/atheism being dealt with in books for children (only most likely for older/more mature children, as religion can be a complicated and controversial subject)

But if it's at the expense of being disrespectful towards theistic religions
(I don't mean in a "be willing to be skeptic" way, I mean a "your atheism automatically makes you superior to all of those theistic mouthbreathers" way)
or shows stereotypical atheist characters, such as "evil atheist, because religion is the only way of becoming a good person" or "God DEFINITELY exists, it's just that atheists are too stupid to see it"
I'm not a huge fan.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

oh sorry, the previous post was meant to be a reply to the first anon who replied to my post

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

I work in a library. I see thousands of books for christian children, and that's children of all ages rather than just the 'mature' ones; some of them are nice and some not so nice. There are even little stickers on them to help you find them. Pullman's trilogy is the only children's series I can name off the top of my head that's for atheists. I'm sure there are more but most aren't popular enough that anyone knows to look for them. I don't care that his tone isn't perfect, I'm just glad his books exist.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, Pullman's writings are totally theist. He's against authoritarianism and compulsory belief, but his books are fine examples of people standing up to "gods", not the absence of them.