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⌈ Secret Post #340 ⌋

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Posting for Shahni! And early because I've got ~~pseuicide~~ class.

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Naw, we're tenacious bastards. I think we'll be able to survive the next ice age. But we probably won't be able to survive our species collapsing in on itself ;)

Confident. We won't survive the sun expanding and consuming the planet. Complex life has about 500 millions years left on this planet. Which sounds long but when you consider animal life has existed for about 3.4 Billion years, it's quite sad. Or comforting, as in your case.

Well, of course not. I assumed you were talking about global warming.

I don't know where you're getting this "comforting" thing from. Aren't we going a little off-topic here?

Well, the cycle of global warming/cooling is going to seriously test all life on the planet. I'm a geologist so loooong time periods are how I've been thinking for so long, it's hard to scale things down.

I guess from the secret I got the impression you were some how looking forward to the decline of humanity.

Naw. I'm really not anticipating the apocalypse. The point, which I didn't make clear enough in the secret, is that I don't want for us to die off earlier than we should because we aren't letting natural selection take its course. We're making a lot of progress in the health field now, but it's going to peak one day, and things are going to go badly. Progress is a circle, not a line.

I see it as us using our large brains, a product of natural selection, to our benefit. If it weren't for our large brains we wouldn't be the dominant race on the planet now. We use our intelligence to remain top of the food chain, not our physical prowess.

And another point, where do you draw the line? How do you decide who should pro-create and who isn't worthy? Many of the disabled people I know are the happiest people I know. They live their lives to the fullest and are happy for what they have. I have had my own medical problems in life and if I were untreated I would certainly be dead today but if given the chance I would never change my past. My illness have made me a stronger person. They made me determined to prove myself. Now I'm a earth scientist. I work in conditions even perfectly healthy people find trying. Who is anyone to judge another's quality of life?

We really are happy people :)
And you know, we do add a lot to the world I think :)
But more than anything, we like *life*. And I still say OPer would'nt support the idea we should all die if they had a disablity...
Or they would, and be one of those gloomy people who hates the world :P. But I like to see the cup as half full :)

Edited 2007-12-11 21:10 (UTC)

I'm happy to hear that! My own experience with people who have had set backs (whatever kind, medical, social, etc) is that some of the most inspiring and selfless people are those who face the greatest adversity.

I really hope the OP hasn't thought their point through rather than actually means what the secret expresses.

It would have been up to nature to decide.

I wouldn't want to be a doctor if I wanted people to die from things we could prevent today. I don't have problems with disabled people. I don't have problems with people who wouldn't be alive without the help of doctors and modern medicine. Because of our large brains we can change the fate written out for us in our genes, and while I don't think that's necessarily a good thing, now that it's happened it would be stupid of us to go back.

I apologize if I'm not clear enough.

It would have been up to nature to decide.

What's up to nature? Nature isn't a sentient being. Nature has decided. We're here. We're top of the food chain.

I'm not saying you want people to die. It seems to me that you actually misunderstand the issue. Humans are where we are because we're intelligent enough to change our environment and manipulate it to suit our needs. How on earth that relates back on to whether we get to decide who gets to live or die is beyond me.

Anyway, we already can decide who lives and dies. Embryos are being screened for inherited defects, a direct result being less people being born with genetic defects.

I don't have an issue with you or what you seem to be saying. However, you seem to be contradicting yourself and talking around in circles. That is what is confusing me.

Edited 2007-12-12 00:19 (UTC)

Uhh. We are very, very far from the top of the food chain. Just because we've utilized our "large brains" to prevent this fact from having much of an impact on us doesn't mean that it's no longer true.

P.s.: Nobody involved in biological sciences will take you very seriously if you continue to call the complex interactions of species in an ecosystem a "food chain". It's near-universally accepted that it's a food web, and even that's simplifying things.

Lol. Yeah, whatever, sweetheart. I know we all live under constant threat of lion attack. Rage against that machine. Humans are so evil.

I adore how you don't understand evolution at all. Way to look a fool.

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