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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-09-06 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2804 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2804 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-06 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I'm not clear on what you think the context indicates

(Anonymous) 2014-09-06 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Meaning that there's a difference between something done in 1979 and something done in 2014. There's a reason Uhura was a trailblazer in the 1960s. Her role had to be fought for. That's not the case for today (not saying that today's world is perfect in this regard). Putting a Russian on the Enterprise was likewise a bold move during the Cold War. It's not in today's world. The context of the action matters is all I'm saying.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-06 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, still don't really see what you're driving at. I can understand that the context changes things, but I don't really see what you mean specifically.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-06 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Simply put: it's not fair to call what Gene Roddenberry did queerbaiting. Today's authors actually COULD make some of these pairings canon. Instead, they just play with homoerotic tension and then go "NO HOMO." But subtext with plausible deniability was the best Roddenberry could do. And thus bothers me when people equate 1979 to 2014.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-06 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, thank you for the clarification!

(Anonymous) 2014-09-09 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
gay characters already existed in the 1979 and 80s, though.
You seem to not take into account that maybe they didn't make it canon because they didn't want to. Either way you can't know but if that was the case, the novelization can be perceived as queer baiting or ship baiting, regardless that being written years ago.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-06 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, in tbe 1979 movie you can see men wearing what would be stereotyped as "women's clothing". Funnily enough you never saw that in the later movies.

The conservative backlash of the 1980s has had aftereffects that are only now becoming apparent with hindsight.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-09 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Well there were guys in miniskirts in the first series of TNG.