[ SECRET POST #2804 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2804 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Harvey Milk wasn't killed because he was gay, though. He was killed because Dan White was a mentally unbalanced person who blamed Milk and Moscone for the loss of his job.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about that…

I understand that the "Twinkie Defense" was largely media sensationalism, but I don't believe that homophobia had no role in the assassination:

"In a thoughtful essay about San Francisco's "wild, manic depressive swings," and "its not very well-hidden undercurrents," the day after the verdict, Chronicle columnist Herb Caen remarked about the police support for Dan White and their "dislike (understatement) of homosexuals." In an offhand remark, he added that one attorney was calling it "the Twinkie insanity defense."

The guy only got a couple of years in jail for murdering a politician...

[(Anonymous)]

he only got a couple of years because he was, again, mentally unbalanced.

you can make an argument that there was underlying homophobia in the San Francisco establishment, and certainly in the San Francisco police force there was, but that's something separate from the assassination itself, and i would argue separate to a large extent from the trial. those undercurrents existed in politics and the assassination brought them out in many ways, but they weren't the central cause of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you sure about that? Because if mentally unbalanced only gets you a couple of years then there are a lot of battered spouses in prison who are serving sentences that are much too long…

I think, though, that a lot of people have recognized that homophobia played a large part in the case -- though I'll concede that that homophobia in the establishment could be a bigger factor.

I'll be honest, though, the reason I thought of Milk (and this is kind of a stupid reason) is because The Motion Picture is set in San Francisco and that's where Starfleet is based which, along with the rainbow on the poster, is why I tend to draw the connection.

[arcadiaego]

There are plenty of people who pre-plan a murder carefully to the extent that they choose bullets that will cause the most possible damage who get put away for a lot longer than 2 years.

[(Anonymous)]

but you are familliar with the dynamic that an internalized hatred/contempt for people of a certain race, gender or sexual preference tends to lower the threshold for killing them, when opposed in any sort of conflict, yes? de-humanization? nazi-germany? an of these ring a bell?
it's not just undercurrents in the establishment, it's the mindset of people those days that killed so many gay people, not few of them at their own hands, because they believed themselves to be somehow disgusting and forever unable to live a wholesome life.