[ SECRET POST #2805 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2805 ⌋

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Comments

[lotesse]

whoa that's really racist. it was really racist when Lennon wrote it, and it's racist now when you're repeating it. For one thing, you might be shocked to know that some people are both female AND Black, which makes the attempted comparison of the two categories plain and pointless foolishness

examine your desire/willingness to type that word plz

[lotesse]

... yes? but the song is still an example of massive white liberal wrongheadedness. It's a failure of intersectionality, as I mentioned above, and it's also a feminist appropriation of the history of Black suffering. It makes no sense to say that "woman is the n---r of the world," because - BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE N----RS OF THE WORLD, and there's a long tradition of white erasure of that history (cf. recent book reviews in The Economist, the recent revision of curriculum standards in Texas that only refer to the "Atlantic Triangle Trade," conveniently eliding the Black bodies under exchange).

Forms of oppression are inextricably linked; one can't be made to stand for the other, because they have always interacted. Gender is a huge part of race, and vice versa. And white women have benefitted from the de-feminizing of Black women, and participated in it.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. Imagine it reversed, even *if* you remove the slurs. Like 'black people are the women of the world'. What does that say about women? What is even being implied here? How is that not completely stupid? WTF.

[lotesse]

I've got real problems with Patti Smith's engagement with race history as well. Her song "Strange Messengers" is one of the most frustrating things I've ever listened to, because it starts SO STRONG, but deteriorates into her presuming to speak for Black elders and lecturing contemporary Black folk.

I think the "fumbled the execution" take is overgenerous. Failing that hard is indicative of some deep-down mis-knowing. Lennon's intentions can be whatever they were, it doesn't change the fact that he COULD NOT SEE Black personhood/history. And considering his past of abuse against women, the fact that his racism was ostensibly in service of feminism isn't much mitigation.

This shit DOES happen all the time, and I'm tired of pretending that it doesn't stink.

[liz_marcs]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for articulating perfectly why the song and the quote pisses me off so much and has from the first time I heard either.

I'm the whitest white girl who ever whited, and even I can see why it's a huge slap in the face to PoCs. And I don't claim to be even remotely educated about race in general or about the intersectionality of feminism, race, and class.

Plus...John Lennon of all people claiming to speak for women. Yeaaaaaaaah. How about no.

[(Anonymous)]

"I'm white but I'M ONE OF THE GOOD WHITES GIMME BROWNIE POINTS"

[liz_marcs]

Merely pointing out that I'm NHF a whole lotta people trying to whitesplain to someone why they shouldn't be pissed off by that John Lennon quote.

This is a case of people ought to sit down and just fucking *listen* when someone points out the really unfortunate implications of shit like this.

I never could put my finger on why the quote bothered me as much as it did, nor could I ever explain it properly. Lotesse did and for that I thank her. I'm just boggled that people are jumping on her for it.

[(Anonymous)]

omg, i caaaaan't. XDDD