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Another Moffat feminism article

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting article on S. Moffat and feminism on Phil Sandifer's blog that I thought people might be interested in:

http://www.philipsandifer.com/2014/09/steven-moffat-is-feminist-and-you-are.html

You can kind of tell by the title what position he's going to take, but I think it's at least an interesting argument. Any thoughts? Agree? Disagree? Want to burn Steven Moffat alive?

Re: Another Moffat feminism article

[sarillia]

I'm wary of men who talk about how much they hate men and are desperate to be seen as one of the few good ones or something. A lot of them veer into the sort of gender essentialism that I'd like to move away from.

Also, I'm not fond of either positive or negative critique that claims to know what's going on in someone's head. I prefer to focus on the implications of statements and actions and not make any assumptions about the thoughts behind them. I'll talk about those thoughts in the abstract (e.g. "it annoys me when people think this way") but I try to avoid it on an individual level, and there's so much of that going on in this piece that it's really putting me off.

Re: Another Moffat feminism article

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that the stuff about anti-masculinity is eyeroll-worthy, although I think the piece is good about preserving the fact that these are socially constructed gender norms and avoiding that pitfall of gender essentialism - it's explicitly about 'masculine culture in my society', not about anything male or female intrinsically. That said, yeah, a bit off.

I'm not sure the other point about claiming to know what's going on in someone's head is entirely accurate, because I'm not sure that's what the piece does. I think the only person where it comes close to doing that is with Stephen Moffat, not with any of the criticisms. And I think with Moffat, it's based on an attempt to parse the meaning of things that he's said and written through a close reading in the context of his work as a whole. I think it's an attempt to work out what he meant by things he's said, not to read his mind, and I think those are different. I think there are times when it strays close to that - probably closest when it's talking about issues with casting and hiring of screenwriters, which are also the weakest parts of the piece. But I think it's decent at presenting a plausible interpretation for much of Moffat's work.

Re: Another Moffat feminism article

[sarillia]

That's true. I think I just am not the audience for this piece. I avoid criticism of Moffat that talks about how he so obviously believes this or that and that seems to be mostly what this piece is refuting in talking about how Moffat himself is misogynist or feminist when I only care about his work. There is some discussion of his work in there that is interesting but my eyes kind of glazed over during all the tedious recitals of arguments that I didn't care about the first time about how Moffat is sexist because he said [x] followed by "no he's not, he's feminist". I would have the same problems with some of the things he's said if they were said by other people who aren't assumed to be sexist.

I wish it was easier to talk about the choices he's made in his work without people turning it into a psychoanalysis of him as a person.