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Comments

[elephantinegrace]

I don't think there's anything wrong with being an MRA on its own, (which is still something I'm trying to keep an open mind about) but I do agree that the collective movement is a cesspool of sexism. I go by the general rule of, "if you're an MRA and a feminist, or at least don't have a problem with it being called feminism, you're okay."

[sarillia]

I'm always torn about the MRA label. I'm usually fine with taking on labels that people have issues with. I call myself both a Christian and a feminist despite the problems in each group, but even though I agree that men face problems that need to be addressed, I find myself thinking that the good segment of the group is so small that it's better to focus on the ways feminism helps all genders in the end by breaking down gender roles.

[(Anonymous)]

See, one of my issues with third wave feminism as a whole is that it tries to tackle too many issues unrelated. I suppose, you could make a case that the male rights and gender roles are more related than other causes feminism has championed, but I do think that male rights get neglected in favor.

But I also feel that, even though there's good MRAs out there, the core of the movement is too tainted for it for anyone to take the label in good faith.

[sarillia]

I definitely think men's issues are very closely related to feminist causes since so many of those issues are sort of the other side of the coin of the problems women face, which is why I wish there could be more cooperation between the movements.

I'm not sure what I think of third wave feminism trying to tackle too much. I can see the benefit of narrowing the focus, but at the same time I don't like telling women who have different experiences from the ones who are privileged in most every other area to go away and form ever more delineated communities. For example, the bodily autonomy debate tends to be framed exclusively as women fighting for the right to safe, legal abortions, but what about the women who are encouraged to abort their fetuses and who are sterilized against their will because they are considered unfit to reproduce due to belonging to other marginalized groups? I can see how there could be some benefit to saying "one thing at a time" but it's hard for me to ignore them and it all comes down to the same issue of women needing to be able to make their own reproductive choices really.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem I consistently see with MRAs is that they don't fucking do anything. They're not advocating for men, they're advocating against feminists and for negating what feminists are trying to do. The whole movement is like... trying to subtract progress from another one and that's it. It's bizarre. I'm not saying some kids on tumblr are affecting social change but fuck man, I could at least get it if MRAs were campaigning for more crisis centers for male abuse victims and rape survivors or something like that but nope.

[diet_poison]

this is also a good comment

[diet_poison]

this is a good comment

[(Anonymous)]

One of the above anons.

For me, I stay away from US MRAs. Never met a non-sexist one.

You are right, that it has its place - in my home country there's a huge problem with parent laws - mothers of 90% of custody cases ... even where one is a proven abuser or doesn't want the child (yes, you can wish to give away your parenting laws ... haha not). I researched MRA organisations when my cousin wanted a divorce (and his wife wanted to leave the children with him).

Then again, in the case of the country, it's rooted in sexism.