[ SECRET POST #2807 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2807 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so if a guy wears a dress, it automatically becomes masculine, even though the vast majority of society associates that particular article of clothing as very strongly feminine? Pretty sure most would consider him effeminate. I'm also quite certain that many butch lesbians, while identifying as female, wouldn't appreciate the insinuation that wearing men's clothing is magically feminine because of the body beneath it. In this case, it's meant to convey masculinity. Sure, it's nice to think everything is equal and people can do/wear whatever they want (which they can!), but, you know, some people actually do want to convey a certain gender presentation that disappears if things automatically become masculine/feminine when based solely on physicality. Erasing this form of gender expression for "all-inclusivity" isn't cool.

tl;dr: some of this is actually conditional -- please don't paint it with a broad brush in the name of all-inclusiviness and progressism.

[(Anonymous)]

You're conflating gender presentation with gender identity, which I think is exactly what that anon was saying is a bad thing. Taking their example, a man who likes baking cookies is not somehow less of a man for engaging in an activity that is typically associated with women. Those butch lesbians are not less female because they like to present and express themselves in a masculine fashion.

It's the idea that certain behaviors have arbitrarily been designated as "masculine" or "feminine" and that engaging in those behaviors somehow diminishes how a person actually identifies.