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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-09-14 03:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #2812 ]


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[personal profile] alwaysbeenasmiler 2014-09-14 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there is something poignant about character death and I don't fault you at all. It's the whole 'take away' aspect, where you find a character you connect with and then suddenly they are gone. Especially when you are fully emmersed in reading, you really feel all the emotions that the characters are feeling. (that is if it's a well written book)
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[personal profile] dreemyweird 2014-09-14 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
+100.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, you like what you like. As long as you're not expecting everybody else to have your same mind-set, I see no issues with it.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh. This reminds me that "In Bruges" had so much incredibly graphic violence... it actually disturbed me despite me not being all that squeamish about gore in movies.
I think it probably was because the movie had this trailer (at least in my country) that made it look like a (at most) mildly blackish comedy and I really didn't expect it.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
See, to me it was a darkish comedy. The only scenes I thought were really dark were the one with the kid and the one at the end with the tower. I didn't find it offensively violent at all.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
SA To me, A REALLY dark comedy is something like Sightseers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyg9aRqlUxM

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The kid got me and the fact that - even if it wasn't that much - the violence was extremely gorey took me a bit off-guard.

The trailer made it look like an actually super lighthearted crime comedy. It was weird.
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[personal profile] frith_in_thorns 2014-09-14 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I find it pretty gruesome in some of the scenes (the last tower bit, augh), but I also consider it a fantastic piece of pitch-black comedy and absolutely hilarious in its darkness. It's one of my favourite movies.
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[personal profile] elaminator 2014-09-14 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I love a good, well written character death! But I don't want character death in everything 'because drama', and I'm not sure I like media more that includes it. You're allowed your personal taste, though. I don't see anything wrong with liking it. It can definitely be impactful and on some level I really understand the appeal (even if I have a difficult time putting into words why).

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I agreed with all of this.
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[personal profile] dreemyweird 2014-09-14 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it'd do good if more people drew a clear distinction between liking the technique of a particular work and liking the tropes included in this work. One isn't better than the other; nor does one substitute the other. They're just different. If you like works with character death in them, it doesn't mean you think they're necessarily better works, technically speaking.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks, OP! Now I know not to read "At Swim, Two Boys".

/genuine just to be clear
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[personal profile] dancing_clown 2014-09-14 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, most of the time when I see people wail about the "cheap emotional manipulation!" that is character death, I feel like they're just swimming in the cynical side of the pool to feel superior.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-14 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
In Bruges! One of my favorite movies ever!

[personal profile] ex_earthshaker594 2014-09-15 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
There's nothing wrong with enjoying a particular concept. If a fictional death impacts you, the author is doing their job.

(Although it does remind me of the joke about Newbery winners/honors always having an animal or person death somewhere inside of them. Not sure how true it is after the more recent lists.)
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2014-09-15 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
*high five*

I love it too. I love character death and crying and all forms of horrific sadness. Even when it's melodramatic. Except when it's children; the older I have gotten, my capacity for handling that has diminished to nil. I can't even listen to news accounts of child harm anymore.

Also I tried to watch In Bruges and just couldn't like it.

Please stay away from comics, thanks

(Anonymous) 2014-09-15 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
We have enough comic book writers who think death adds something to the form already.
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[personal profile] alexi_lupin 2014-09-15 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
The History Boys is one of my favourite movies :)

(Anonymous) 2014-09-15 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
Points for Last Human.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-15 01:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I....you know what, OP? I agree. I NEVER thought of it this way but it's true. I go through this cycle with a book or a movie or show - character I love dies, I am left reeling. (Sometimes I cry about it, but not always.) I wail at a friend about it, because chances are it was my favourite character who died. I pick up and finish the thing with a deep sadness attached to the ending. The thing then sticks with me forever.

Sometimes a death CAN feel cheap or obviously meant to manipulate the audience. Repeated exposure to Joss Whedon can make you anticipate his patterns and then you could very easily get cynical about it. However, if I said it doesn't always fucking work and always hurt and often in the end make the thing better, I would be lying.

So really, as much as I complain about this exact thing, I think you're right.