[ SECRET POST #2820 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2820 ⌋

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Comments

[blitzwing]

what I think the real problem is here is that you and the OP are interpreting her (pretty colloquial) sentence in a way that I'm not. you're hearing dumb animals following a bouncy ball and I'm hearing an incomplete understanding of the parts of a story that aren't a sequence of events and really broad, telegraphed characterization *at the age of 6*.

That would be because her phrasing is really odd and specific. It's not "They just like watching Anna and Elsa do cool stuff" or "they like all the magic"--it's not even "they're just watching the *characters* move around". It specifically degrades those things to the level of shapes and colors without any meanings or associations by the watcher. Maybe it's not what Mayim meant but that's how it clearly comes across to a lot of people. In which case her word choice was shitty and kudos to you for reading the real meaning in it that's not readily apparent to most and which her word choice belies.

(understanding why your parents do what they do is complicated enough that people die without knowing why - a 6-year-old's interpretation is not going to take into account the factors behind an argument because all they can do is know that it's scary and sad, not "daddy's mad because mommy took the last $40 out of the joint checking account to buy booze" - this is what makes child abuse/witnessed DV so traumatic, because they lack any resources to handle it, so I completely disagree with you there)

Disagree on what basis? I watched my parents fight every day, and while there might have been underlying stressors I didn't pick up on, just listening to their argument made it blatantly clear what they were arguing about--"Bitch what's this sock doing on the floor? This place is a fucking pigstye" isn't exactly subtle. To imply that a 6-year old can't infer meaning from that and can only understand "scawy loud voices" is nothing short of ridiculous--and once again, reduces children of that age to uncomprehending animals. A child in the argument you mentioned would hear something like "You took our last fucking $40? You goddamned bitch!" and would know exactly what the argument was over. Unless they don't comprehend speech, which we know children of that age typically do.


I probably don't know the Lion King as well as you do, but that whole theme of a broader responsibility to your pride and facing up to what you're supposed to do because of something that happened to your dad, not to mention why Nala would care about any of it, does not sound like something that a 6-year-old would be able to independently express to me if I asked. and that's normal and healthy. they're probably excited to see Simba and Nala talking and then Nala wants Simba to go home and beat Scar and his friends are coming!

Huh, well I never noticed that theme of broader responsibility even as an adult--and there's nothing wrong with that. Themes like that are supposed to be subtle, and really only apparent if you're taking the time to analyze them from a literary/cinematic critical standpoint. That doesn't mean you have to be a genius to pick up on them, but you don't need to pick up on them to enjoy the movie.

And children can enjoy Nala and Simba beating Scar; you agree on that, I agree on that, and Piaget agrees on that. Mayim Bialik, by her words, does not.

I don't know if you care at all about my thought process here, but there it is. we disagree on this pretty strongly so I'm not imagining there's a real point to continuing the argument, but I hope my viewpoint at least makes sense. I was glad to hear yours, even if my tone is coming across more sardonic than I want it to be.

That's fine, we disagree on what Mayim meant by her words, although I don't think we disagree all that much on the development stage of children that age [debated ability to understand parent arguments withstanding]. It's always nice to have a higher-level discussion on F!S; can't remember the last time I did.