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⌈ Secret Post #2821 ⌋

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[Twin Peaks]

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[Star Trek]

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[Fall Out Boy]

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[Monster]

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[Left 4 Dead 2/Grand Theft Auto 5]

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[Cabin Pressure]

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[Quantum Leap]

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[Amy Winehouse]

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But she had real flaws!

Flaws that she worked past and grew out of.

I love Eva. Why does everyone hate her? Yes, she wasn't great in the beginning but isn't that the point?

Because the ways she's flawed, and the way those flaws are depicted, especially early on in the story, come way, way, way too close to being a sexist caricature. Even if she's supposed to be terrible, I think her portrayal there is almost cartoonishly so. It's just not great. Her progression is good, but I don't think it's enough to redeem the character.

Yeah, if I wasn't clear, I haven't finished either Monster or 20th Century Boys and part of the issue was that they both seemed like such male-fests. I don't think Kanna had been much of a figure in however many volumes of 20CB I read but somebody else told me that about her too. I will have to get back to both these series at some point and hearing that the women get better as they go along is encouraging.

20th Century Boys is a bit strange in terms of plot structure. It changes a ton over the course of the story - a lot of major shit goes down. So it takes Kanna a while to show up but once she does she's absolutely a major character.

I also definitely think it's worth seeing the whole thing through. It's long and it can be kind of a slog at times, especially with Urasawa's attitude towards mysteries and plot revelations, but I think it's completely worth it because gosh it's good.

I really loved 20th Century Boys, but at the end I can say that I think it was actually too long. There were about 5 plot twists too many, and some things that just got dragged through the mud - like that Friend thing. Let me tell you, after 100 or so chapters I did not give a damn who he was, I just wanted somebody to shoot him in the head and be done.

It's like... it's a really good series, and there's a lot of stuff I liked about it, and hell the characters were written SO well (yes Kanna was amazing in every way) and the art is also spectacular. But in the same breath it's hard for me to say that I truly liked it, or that I would want to own it.

I definitely know what you mean. Personally, I actually really liked that - I felt like it fit in with the insane conspiratorial tone the whole work has, the layers within layers and the paranoia and the difficulty of finding the truth. But I completely understand how someone could dislike the length, and I think my reaction is probably the weird one tbh.

I guess…I just felt that it was so well done (she was SO very different by the end) that Urasawa was doing a bait and switch -- making us think she's this pathetic one-dimensional stereotype when she isn't at all.

He did such a great job with Nina too…

Maybe I'm just being too optimistic though.

No, I think it's a fair position to take, just not sure I agree.

And just to be clear, I absolutely love Urasawa on the whole. He's one of my favorite writers. And Nina is absolutely fantastic.

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