[ SECRET POST #2822 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2822 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Psycho-Pass]


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03.
[LoadingReadyRun]


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04.
[Ella Masar and Erin McLeod (NWSL)]


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05.
[Hadaka Shitsuji]


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06.
[Richard Armitage]


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07.
[Arrow]


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08.
[Stargate SG-1]


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09.
[Outlander]
















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Comments

[solticisekf]

how so?

[(Anonymous)]

How so...? Can you elaborate?

[solticisekf]

I'm curious why you don't like Oliver.) If it's not too personal, of course!

[(Anonymous)]

I just straight up don't like the way he treats people. He's a really terrible friend (he was HORRIBLE to Laurel in season two and I'm really uncomfortable with the way he treats Felicity and Diggle), he's not a great brother, he keeps making the same mistakes over and over, and the way he treats women is just...not okay. He's a massive hypocrite, he doesn't seem to care about anyone's problems but his own, he's a pathological liar, and he's a bully.

I might be okay with this if he learned from these mistakes and grew as a character, but he hasn't so far and I doubt he will.

There's a scene in season two with Laurel and Oliver in the hallway of her apartment building where he just goes off on her, blaming her for the way she's feeling, making it about himself, and mocking her for the issues she was dealing with at the time (depression, substance abuse) right before he told her he was done caring about her. It was straight up verbally abusive. There's no other way to describe what that scene was. It was verbal abuse. She was standing there, crying, flinching, and he was yelling at her. It was hard to watch (and the reason I will never watch that episode again) and worse than that, people sided with him. It was really harmful to actual people who have dealt with verbal abuse, which I have. (This is the scene that I mentioned was triggering to me.)

Basically: Arrow!Oliver Queen is my father.

The best way I've ever heard Arrow!Oliver Queen described is ''he's a bad person who sometimes does good things.''

Don't get me wrong, I have my issues with Green Arrow from the comic books as well (Smallville's Oliver Queen was the only one I genuinely loved) but Arrow!Oliver Queen is just in a whole different ballpark of awfulness. Sometimes I have to mute the TV when Oliver's on screen.

I watch for the awesome ladies and Diggle.

Oh wow. That got long. I'm sorry. :)

[(Anonymous)]

He was a kind of awful friend to Tommy, too. I still think Tommy had every right to be utterly pissed at Ollie; sure, the job was nice, and Tommy wasn't exactly a paragon, but he used Tommy so hard it wasn't even funny. In fact, the episode where Tommy's ghost turns up and forgives Ollie everything just... annoys me.

And for all he's vowed never to kill again over Tommy's grave... dude, that wasn't even half the problem. It hasn't even changed Ollie's viewpoint or personality. It's an empty promise, pretty much.

(Yeah, okay, I mostly watched season one for Tommy. And yes, I am still annoyed by the fact he was apparently killed off mostly to provide character angst for Laurel and Ollie and split them up again.)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, he was really awful to Tommy. Tommy had his own character flaws that I didn't really like (as much as I loved him, he was kind of a Nice Guy at times with Laurel) but he didn't deserve any of the shit that Ollie pulled.

[solticisekf]

I liked Tommy. (

[solticisekf]

not at all!
It's interresting to hear another perspective on a character! I passed these episodes because I don't enjoy the topic of substance abuse for some reason, so i didn't see the scene.
I have a different impression of him, but what you've said makes sense. He lies a lot but that is due to the whole secrecy thing, imo.
There's a lot of Oliver so not liking him rather complicates things for you.( I don't trust Arrow to have any character growth, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I wish I had skipped those episodes tbh. They basically dealt with Laurel's substance abuse by having her bullied into getting help. It was so disrespectful. But I probably should have known better than to expect a CW show to handle depression and substance abuse with any kind of respect.

Haha, it does kind of complicate the viewing for me. I wish I could quit the show altogether, but Laurel and Thea are my girls and I keep getting sucked in by promises that they'll have storylines. It's not that bad actually. I just keep a book handy and mute it whenever Oliver's on screen.

[solticisekf]

That's some multitasking! At least Arrow has pretty visials.
I started to watch for the actor who plays Laurel's dad, and it doesn't seem that his plot is going anywhere eather. I agree that it's fun despite its flaws.)