[ SECRET POST #2827 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2827 ⌋

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"Why can't a fictional character being annoying be a good reason for me to love the villain killing them off?"

It can.

But there's a big difference between enjoying something and approving of it, imo. "I enjoyed it" means that you liked it, regardless of whether it was good or bad. "I approve of that" sounds like you think this is a generally appropriate action to take, or one that people *should* take, in that situation whenever or wherever it comes up.

[dancing_clown]

Two things.
1. I think that's an awful lot of hair-splitting between "I approve of" and "I enjoy that."

2. It's pretty shitty to judge someone on your (the general your) worst interpretation on what someone *must have* meant.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Well to be fair they said "I approve" in the secret so it makes sense to wonder what they meant by "approve" to decipher the secret.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Context, nonnie. Sometimes you have to put on your thinking cap and read between the lines.

Re: DA

[dancing_clown]

Damn, dreamwidth, stop logging me out.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

"But there's a big difference between enjoying something and approving of it, imo. "I enjoyed it" means that you liked it, regardless of whether it was good or bad. "I approve of that" sounds like you think this is a generally appropriate action to take, or one that people *should* take, in that situation whenever or wherever it comes up."

This doesn't sound judging. It just sounds like they're pointing out the difference between what "I enjoyed it " means and what "I approve of it" means

[dancing_clown]

No, it sounds like their splitting hairs about a topic and judging people based on said split hair.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

No, I was pointing out the semantic difference and saying that's why people might be responding to OP in that way if she says she "approves" vs. "enjoyed." If you read the comment I left, I made no personal judgment myself.

You were awfully quick to jump in and judge me, though.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not really "splitting hairs" when someone flat out said "I 'approve'in the secret". It's not unreasonable to make interpretations based on what is said in the secret itself.

[(Anonymous)]

sa, and I meant ayrt in the original above

"I approve of that" sounds like you think this is a generally appropriate action to take

Right there. I didn't say OP must think this, I said it sounds like OP does. You should really read what I wrote.

[dancing_clown]

And I thoroughly disagree that it sounds like that, when speaking in fannish context. That you WOULD think it sounds that way, is hella judgy.

[(Anonymous)]

Why?

Legit question, I don't understand what on earth you're getting at. What am I judging OP of, or to be? I never claimed she did a thing besides use a word and get misinterpreted.

If anyone, I'd say I'm judging fandom of misinterpreting what OP meant by approved.

[dancing_clown]

Well, if you don't get it, you don't get it. Personally, I don't get why you think OP saying "I approve of this fictional death of this fictional character that I can't stand" would EVER equate to thinking "this is a generally appropriate action to take," or that there's a dog's balls bit of difference -- in the context of fiction -- between approving of and liking a hated character's demise.

[(Anonymous)]

But I... don't think that. That's what I've been saying. I think it sounds like that, and people would get that impression, even if it were untrue, and that's why people highlight the difference.

[dancing_clown]

And as I've said, I think it IN NO WAY sounds like that. I think we're in "takes one to know one" territory when it comes to talking about "well, people COULD think you mean xyz..."

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but OP was complaining about people to whom it does, and there are other people in this thread who have had experiences with people who interpret approval that way. I was attempting to give an explanation for why those people interpret approval that way, and what their thought process is.

So... your anecdote is noted? Your personal feelings are acknowledged as one of the people that don't? I don't know what else to say to that. We're not in disagreement but you keep acting like we are.

[(Anonymous)]

Just read your edit.

And I'd add, oooor maybe I've had experience myself with people who think that way. Because as someone who adores villains, I have. Did that occur to you?

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, sorry to spam but I think I see where we went wrong.

"But there's a big difference between enjoying something and approving of it, imo."

More clearly, it would have been,

"But there's a big difference between saying you enjoy something and saying you approve of it, imo."

That's the only thing I can I think of. Otherwise I'm at the same impasse you are. Judge away, I suppose!

[(Anonymous)]

You are extremely butthurt about this. Connotation means a lot.

The connotation of APPROVING of something means you find it okay on multiple levels. ENJOYING something is not the same. I enjoy reading about murder. That doesn't mean I approve of murder just so I can read about it. If I approved of murder, there'd be a big problem. See the difference?

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes, I wonder if you douche with acid.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably best to give up here. Dancing_clown obviously knows far more about what you think and believe than you do. Admit you were wrong and they are right to judge you and they'll shut up. Sure as heck ain't going to happen otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol I love how this response comes like 6 hours after everything is over.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

"I don't understand why it's so important in fandom to remind fans that liking a villain doesn't mean you approve of the evil things they do. Maybe I do approve."

Merriam-Webster definition of approve: "to believe that something or someone is good or acceptable".

So the secret does basically say "Maybe I do believe their evil actions are good or acceptable." Now, the context of the rest of the secret is going to add an invisible coda of "in a fictional context" to that, but the bald statement they opened with honestly can be most easily read as 'approve' meaning 'consider right', since that's the dictionary definition. In a fandom conversation where someone only gets that statement, yes, they probably are going to interpret it that way without further clarification, and it's having to give said clarification that the secret is complaining about.

Most fandom conversations I've been in that discussed character morality WERE discussing it from the standpoint of real world morality. In that context, using the word 'approve' towards an evil action would get adverse reactions, unless the person saying it clarified that they meant 'from a narrative standpoint' or 'in a fictional context'. I ... don't see why you think it wouldn't?

[(Anonymous)]

One persons split hair is another person's gaping chasm.