[ SECRET POST #2827 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2827 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

Nah. The opposite, AFAIK. Most people who watch entertainment casually root for the good guys, unless they either hate the movies (i.e., the "good guys" in Twilight aren't actually good so fuck rooting for them) or they didn't understand the show/movie.

And when it comes to not understanding a movie, no, it's not typical of a casual view, nor do the writers/creators/directors consider it okay. For example, people who rooted for the helicopters destroying a Cambodian village in "Apocalypse Now" were denounced as morons and jackasses by critics and the director, for good reason -- a film MEANS something. It's not just entertainment. The story is being told for a REASON, the good guys are good for a REASON, the bad guys are bad for a REASON. Most films and books have a message and morality - even if it's a grey or conflicted morality - and a point to make. It's usually not mindless entertainment or completely devoid of values.

The things that ARE mindless entertainment or devoid of values are the exceptions -- stuff like, say, "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" or "Seinfeld." It's pretty ridiculous to have to say "I love George Costanza but I totes don't approve of his behavior."

A while ago I would have also said it was pretty obvious that if someone was talking about how much they loved Vito Corleone from The Godfather, they didn't actually approve of the mafia. But after witnessing the debacle with characters like Loki, Walter White, etc, being woobified or excused, I'm a lot more skeptical of that.

[grausam]

But, well, critics and directors are more invested in it than the casual movie goers? And I'm not judging here.

It's just my experience with many people that they go "woaah, x was awesome" or "the scene of (crass violence) was great". Given, those are often some dudes who partly want to come off as crass, probably also influenced by prejudices, but they're pretty much the target audience for many movies, video games etc.

I think you're right that it's not intended to be totally without moral value in most cases, but most people will enjoy villians without being judged by others.

[intrigueing]

I agree with your last line, but then casual viewers usually never run into a situation where they hear someone sincerely, seriously arguing that some villain who did horrible things is totally justified.

I still think there's a big difference between "approve" and "enjoy," but casual viewers generally take it for granted that when you say "I liked villain X", you mean you just enjoyed him. Fandom people, though, have usually run into a lot of people who genuinely DO approve of a villain, so are more likely to go "wait, do you mean you approve or do you mean he was just interesting/enjoyable?"