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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-09-30 06:43 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2828 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2828 ⌋

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[Wakfu]


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[rupaul's drag race]


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[Law and Order: Criminal Intent]


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[3-2-1 Contact: The Time Team]


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[Anna Popplewell, Reign]


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[The Strain]


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[Justice League]


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[Louisa May Alcott's Little Women]

















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(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

1) The french and germans are white too
2) I think you mean the romans and norsemen (as even the Normans who invaded in 1066 were norsemen (vikings) and not french)
3) the entirety of European folklore is intermingled. There was roaring trade all around Europe and legends and myths spready far and wide. Harry Potter draws mainly on celtic legends however, and symbolism common to the UK.
4) Oppressed anglo-saxon minorities don't exist anymore, as at this point the line between norsemen, viking and anglo-saxon descendants is non-existent.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
NA

I agree with everything but #4 - the Celts are the indigenous population and those who didn't merge with the Anglo-Saxons retreated to Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Brittany.

I remember reading in a book many, many years ago that there's slight evidence that suggests people from the North of England can trace a different tribe anncestory than those in the South as the North resisted many of the Viking & Saxon invasions. No idea whether this has since been disproved but I have used it during me & my Southern work colleagues friendly arguments about the North/South divide :P

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
You're joking, right? Given how long ago all of this happened, unless Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Brittany are the inbreeding capitals of the entire Universe, then there has been some mixing and matching of the Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Romans and everyone after.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
DA

There will be people who can trace a large part of the ancestory back to the Celts.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

A large part of ancestory is not all of your ancestory. Besides, after 10 generations back you theoretically had 1,024 ninth great grandparents. Yep, sounds totally feasible to trace a large part of your ancestory back to purely the Celts and argue that at no point did Anglo-Saxon, Viking or Roman blood enter your bloodline. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. People move around and settle down in other locations.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
DA

It makes no logical sense whatsoever. People move around and settle down in other locations.

...not as much as they do today. They had to walk, for one thing, and many people never left their villages, let alone their region.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Pilgrimages. Travelling tradesmen. People who drove cattle or livestock to market towns and back. There are even records of people driving cattle from the Highlands down to London. There are maps dating back to the 1600s showing the main locations along one particular road.

Believe it or not, people did actually walk from place to place prior to the invention of the car. As for 'many people never left their villages' that's only true for the most remote places such as the Orkney islands. A look at just about anybody's family tree anywhere else in Britain will show that to be bullshit.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
*There are maps dating back to the 1600s showing the main locations along one particular road. - maps showing the main locations along main walking routes. It was a common thing to do.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 02:27 am (UTC)(link)

Believe it or not, people did actually walk from place to place prior to the invention of the car.

Yep, and it still had nothing on the car. Walking 10 or 20 miles to the nearest market is unlikely to expose one to a greater genetic diversity than is available by traveling hundreds of miles.

Pilgrimages--certainly not something ordinary people could do often. Many people only went on religious pilgrimage once, if they were that lucky.

Pilgrimages. Traveling tradesmen. People who drove cattle or livestock to market towns and back.

All wealthier people, a small minority of the population. Serfs weren't even allowed to leave their area without permission from their lord. Hardly supports your idea that the vast majority of people were just traipsing all over Britain.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
How is that my theory? My theory is that people moved about which they did and that noone is purely celtic anymore which they aren't.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
A theory and an idea aren't the same thing, by the way.

My theory is that people moved about which they did and that noone is purely celtic anymore which they aren't.

For the former, no one is disputing that some people moved around--others did not and legally, could not.

noone is purely celtic anymore which they aren't.

I don't give a shit one way or the other on this one--I take issue with your dumbass "the serfs were totes pilgrimaging to Spain all the time, yep yep!"

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
You have serious issues with reading comprehension. Who the hell said anything about Spain? You are trying to suggest that in the two thousand years following the Roman invasion of Britain that all of the Celts migrated to certain areas of Britain and didn't move or integrate in anyway at all. That there was no way that Anglo-saxon, celtic and roman blood became so mixed up as to become virtually indistinguishable in modern Britain.

Which is patently bullshit.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh wait, you're the damn troll. My bad, should have spotted it earlier.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
People who are reaching like hell in an attempt to be special snowflakes. This is, in fact, well nigh impossible. Even genetic studies almost always send up showing strong ties to - gosh, where you live [for most places they have tried and excepting people who know their ancestors moved]. Surprise.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-01 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
It all evens out in the end considering there were plenty of celtic tribes in Germany and France that were probably among the ancestors of the German and French people that came to Britain (not that Germany actually existed back then).
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[personal profile] tree_and_leaf 2014-10-01 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
Not exactly.

Large chunks of the North were ruled by the Vikings as part of the Danelaw (which also covered most of the East of the country). That's why Yorkshire is full of Norse placenames. It's true that the Vikings never got a hold on Northumbria, but the Anglo-Saxons certainly did. It's likely that the North was settled by a slightly different set of Germanic invaders in the first instance, but that's all you can say.
Edited 2014-10-01 08:13 (UTC)
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