[ SECRET POST #2839 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2839 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Tony Stark

[iceyred]

That is some weird characterization. Tony Stark's a businessman. Those are usually found in the GOP.

Steve is the guy who made sure the two minorities on his team were standing next to him in every photo so they couldn't be cropped out. The positions, parties, and issues have changes between 1940 and 2014. What was considered liberal back then is considered civilized and normal now, but Steve doesn't strike me as the type of guy to fixate on whether or not someone else is sleeping around.

Re: Tony Stark

[(Anonymous)]

No, super-rich businessmen often don't give a shit about the GOP. Businessmen who are concerned about taxes and regulations cutting into their bottom line like the GOP. Billionaires do not care unless they are on a roll to take over the world. People like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg...you better bet they give no fucks about supporting the GOP. Tony always struck me an anti-all politics ever, tbh (or pre-Afghanistan, totally indifferent to politics). But he definitely opposes war and heavy duty military-industrial complex stuff. And supports environmentally friendly energy. Those are really the only hints we get of his politics. He's pretty apolitical.

Also, what's true for a majority isn't true for everyone. Not every businessman on earth is a Republican.

Re: Tony Stark

[(Anonymous)]

Thread starter here. I posited that he was conservative because RDJ is and he's claimed that Tony Stark is basically a cooler version of himself.

And he might be against war, but note that some Republicans, like Ron Paul, are as well. That and Iron Man is definitely written with a libertarian lean at the very least.

Re: Tony Stark

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you. I'm not an expert on the character, but I can see definitely interpret Tony Stark's character a having libertarian lean. Even though libertarianism is a right-wing political view, it's still "progressive", in the fact that it sees government involvement as hindering social and individual freedom.

Re: Tony Stark

[(Anonymous)]

it's still "progressive", in the fact that it sees government involvement as hindering social and individual freedom.

There may be a geography-based difference in our understandings of the concept, but, uh, the progressive movement in the US is not one that has disparaged government involvement in anything/everything, historically speaking. Nor do I think that many of the people in and surrounding the Libertarian movement would classify themselves as such.

Re: Tony Stark

[iceyred]

That's why I stuck a 'usually' in there. Also, being in favor of energy efficiency and anti-war doesn't make anyone a Democrat/liberal. Eisenhower famously spoke out against the military-industrial complex, and have you ever heard of the Bipartisan Energy Savings Performance Caucus? Rep. Cory Gardner (R) is a founder.

Re: Tony Stark

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, canon-Stark is basically (usually) a Goldwater Republican and canon-Steve is an FDR-Democrat.

That said, I wouldn't classify Tony Stark as particularly conservative, except perhaps when it comes to emotional maturity, but I've pretty much given up on people who aren't wonks remembering that "conservative" and "Republican" aren't automatically interchangeable.

I can totally understand why Avengers would have pissed you off, although I find it easy enough to handwave due to Steve being under the influence of Loki's Glowy Stick of Dickishness and Tony's buttons being painfully obvious and easy to push. Of course, I also thought that they were both assholes for much of that movie, so it annoys me when Steve alone is cast as a villain for it.

Re: Tony Stark

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe not conservative. But I still think his political views tend to be REALLY glossed over and mischaracterized by fandom.

The Avengers was just a horrible introduction to the MCU. I would have become a fan so much sooner if I'd started with something else.

I just wish fandom wasn't SO VERY Tony-centric. I understand Tony has issues and I think there's great fics dealing with it. But so much of fanfic is centered around him and, especially when it's Stony fanfic, I just can't help but get annoyed at how Steve is (in my opinion) shorted to bolster Tony.

Since I feel like that's what the Avengers film did in the first place.

Re: Tony Stark

[kaijinscendre]

Man. I have found my people. It is so hard to find Steve-centric pairing fics. Like, even though I adore Bucky/Steve (and I know Bucky has gone through some shit), I'd still like to see some tiny part of your Stucky fic that addresses the fact Steve is also going through some shit.