[ SECRET POST #2842 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2842 ⌋

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Comments

[a_potato]

I can find that perspective a bit more understandable, and I think the dynamic will get tired fairly quickly. There has to be some sort of evolution in it, or some sort of character growth, but it to truly be at all compelling.

That said, at the risk of jumping down a rabbit hole, the Doctor is...always going to be as he's written, and any time a character who's acting like an asshole is called out for acting like an asshole, it's only ever going to be because that character was written that way. It always strikes me as a strange thing to say, particularly when the problem has more to do with a failure to integrate characterization and narrative than with the characterization itself.

[(Anonymous)]

That's more than fair, and it should probably has to be said that my frustration also has a lot to do with the fact that I see both Sherlock and significant parts of Moffat's run with 11 as going over the same ground. So to me, it looks like Moffat returning to something he already did with 11, that's also markedly similar to his other work, and it looks like it's exactly the opposite of character growth.

My other point, I suppose, is that saying that Clara is justified in the complaints she makes (which I think she is within the universe of the show) isn't really a defense of the writing and the plots at all; it just moves the complaints to a slightly different terrain.

[a_potato]

I can completely understand that frustration. I honestly think you've highlighted one of Moffat's main weaknesses as a writer: he seems to have only a handful of stories and characters in him, and he's constantly recycling them (the bit with Clara having to hold her breath to get past the androids was so like Amy having to close her eyes to get past the angels that I nearly rolled by eyes out of head).

I think that, since it makes sense for Clara to have and voice her complaints, I'm less inclined to dislike her for it, even if I can see that it's not good for the narrative for her to have to make them.