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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-10-15 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2843 ]


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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2014-10-16 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
You're probably right about the black hole, there, and while I'm a bit interested about why you don't think art is entirely subjective, I dunno how that discussion isn't going to lead to "agree to disagree". I will say that I think the main difference between criticism and preference is one's ability to explain why they dislike something. If I find something boring because I think it's too slow paced, that's different than finding it boring for no reason I could state. For example, if your setting is in NYC and there's zero diversity, I dislike it because I consider that a poor representation of the city. Others might argue that there isn't diversity in every single corner of the place, and they'd have a point. And we could have further discussion about that.

Your absolute terms keep getting me, I've never seen diversity come up as the determining factor of whether or not an overall piece is worthwhile. Like you keep speaking as if you see people going "All the brown people in Middle Earth are a featureless blob of foreign evil, there's nothing worth reading/watching about this universe!" That hasn't been my experience, it's usually just one more detail people mention as part of a judgment of a work and their enjoyment of it, not a deciding factor.

(Anonymous) 2014-10-16 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think people treat it as the sole reason to like or dislike something. But I do think people treat it as an objective flaw or criticism. It is not the determining factor but it is an inherently bad thing. That seems to me to be the mindset.

I mean, part of this is probably me responding to the OP's language - to me, if you talk about 'failings', that's something that's almost impossible to dissociate from that point of view. If someone's talking about doing better and worse, that's the language of criticism and quality to me. And they're talking about it in very general terms - like, I think there are occasions when a lack of diversity can be a problem with a work, but I don't think it just makes sense to refer to it point blank as a problem with the work. And to me, that's how I read OP, and that's something I see more broadly.