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⌈ Secret Post #2847 ⌋

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[morieris]

Anything ranging from basic censorship to outright actual oppression.

Just because it doesn't murder a group of people who share an ethnicity doesn't mean it isn't harmless re: 'actual oppression'. I could mock a Japanese accent and that still contributes to treating someone as less than or 'other'.

I mean that the problematic stories that get the attention is what's the problem

And that's true - people want sanitized versions from someone of their own race instead of the real thing.

[quirkytizzy]

I mean "actual oppression" as in sheer censorship, as in eventually oppressing anyone from writing of, about, or to other cultures. It would stem interest and learning from culture to culture.

Censorship is a removal of freedom, which is oppression, to which NO country or culture on this planet needs.

And yes, I think that if we could get more media attention to different stories about X culture that would be very helpful. I just don't think that stopping people from writing about X culture is going to do anything but slowly remove that culture from the public eye.

That's a terrible thing to have happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay but censorship is not the same as being criticized or even being told "I wish you wouldn't write that, it's potentially hurtful to the culture."

[quirkytizzy]

You are absolutely correct - and there's nothing saying that a person or public should NOT express their dismay at a written piece. But calling for an outright freeze on certain races writing certain stories does nothing, not for any race around them. That's all.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't you American? Cause as far as I am aware everything gets sanitised for the American market. The references in Harry Potter for a start. 'Sorcerer's stone' my ass.

How is that different from people wanting something relatable anx more easily understandable?

[morieris]

I should have used a different word...let me put it this way; People would read a book about someone in Japan that a white guy wrote because they went there on a business trip and thought it was cool and just put pen to paper instead of a story written by someone who was born and raised in Japan and intended to publish in America.

[(Anonymous)]

...And? The white guy (or any other American) will be writing from the same cultural background as them. That's a natural starting point for most people. It's the people who have a real passion in the subject who will then seek out the more authentic accounts such as the Japanese guy's book in your example.

Isn't that what you yourself have done with Memoirs of a Geisha?

[morieris]

The idea is that his story, that was released because he just thought somewhere was cool. I didn't say that he shouldn't do research or was insincere in his efforts. Just that having more stories starring and about people of color actually written by people of color would be nice instead of always through the lens of a white guy. I'm not sure how this was confusing for people.

And yes, I have, while I point out again that it led me to read the autobiography the woman in question was about. The ideas are not mutually exclusive.

[(Anonymous)]

And yes, I have, while I point out again that it led me to read the autobiography the woman in question was about. The ideas are not mutually exclusive.

The problem seems to be that you think you're the only one that's achieved enlightenment and done this. Most people who are interested in a culture and get into it through a popular book (which, yes, will likely have been written by a white person) will more often than not go on to seek out more from what you call legitimate sources.

[feotakahari]

As Eminem put it, "[E]very fan black that I got, was probably [Dre's] in
exchange for every white fan that he's got."

[morieris]

This being went a bit further from just a blockbuster novel or something else?

I don't think we should settle for 'At least SOMEONE'S paying attention to this culture be grateful' that gets twisted into 'are you trying to shut everybody off from each other?' when we could be 'Here are five popular books about something specific to a small part of a certain country and culture; two by people the actual subculture, two by people from the mainstream of that culture, and one from outside of it'.

[(Anonymous)]

*points to comment about China further down in thread*

[(Anonymous)]

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"having more stories starring and about people of color actually written by people of color would be nice instead of always through the lens of a white guy"

I'm confused. Are you implying there aren't stories about POC by POC?
Because that's not true at all.

There are few that are well known and most non-English stories never get translated to English, but that's a completely different issue.

Instead of complaining about what white people write about non-white people and their cultures, it'll be better to wonder why so few publishing companies make an actual effort to publish and advertise books (and other kind of media) that is not written by white (American) guys.

Is because the audience doesn't care about that media? If that's the reason, why they don't care?

[morieris]

Instead of complaining about what white people write about non-white people and their cultures, it'll be better to wonder why so few publishing companies make an actual effort to publish and advertise books (and other kind of media) that is not written by white (American) guys.

It's probably because, although potentially more authentic, they feel that someone's story is too 'other' for the mainstream (See; Part of the reason it took Book of Life so darn long to be made and come out into theaters] (and, still on the original topic, hail a white person's version as the 'definitive' version when wouldn't a native to that culture understand better? That's not the case all the time, no, it truly cannot be the case for almost every influential bit of media)

[(Anonymous)]

Just that having more stories starring and about people of color actually written by people of color would be nice instead of always through the lens of a white guy.

These exist. Look harder.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

That may have been your original point, but you've strayed a long way from there and made several other points along the way.

The fact that it led you to read the autobiography was the point I was making - you started with the famous novel, it interested you, and so it led you to seek out more authentic accounts.

And what the hell? You don't think people should write about places they think are cool? What about time periods? Should we all just stick to writing what we have personal, firsthand experience of?

[(Anonymous)]

It was "confusing" because your first statement came across an awful lot like, "people who did not grow up in a culture should not write about that culture." And the fact that everyone read the statement that way kind of points to the problem being with how you worded it, and not with the people reading it.