[ SECRET POST #2850 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2850 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 016 secrets from Secret Submission Post #407.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I like how the OP complains about "the incorrect spelling or punctuation" while using "everyone" when it should be "every one".

Every fandom has good fic, bad fic, etc. Just because you've struck out doesn't mean there isn't good stuff around.

[(Anonymous)]

EDIT: Okay, bad reading comprehension on my part re: "everyone/every one". Apologies, OP!

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, there were other grammar mistakes in there, so your point still stands.

[blitzwing]

It's a secret, not a fic. I wouldn't hold an author's email messages or blog replies to the same standard I hold their novels.

The whole "hurr you don't like bad spelling but you made a mistake yourself!!!" crap is so tiring.

[(Anonymous)]

Except it's incredibly hypocritical, if the sole reasons someone's bitching is to complain about grammar/spelling, that they don't take care not to make the same mistakes they're criticising. If it's that important to them that they feel the need to shit on others for it, then surely they would?

Nothing wrong with calling someone out on that.

[blitzwing]

Sorry, you might be right, but I just don't see it. There are levels of care and editing that you apply to certain things that you don't to others. This comment exchange, for example, is happening in real time (or fairly close). There's no sending it off to a beta, letting it mellow in a drawer for a few weeks, reading it aloud to catch mistakes--in other words, secrets aren't one of those things that have a convention of detailed editing and revision.

Written works do have that convention, and that expectation built up for some readers. For me, SPAG errors don't bother me in fic (or even in traditionally published works) so long as they're not so extreme they make reading difficult. I wouldn't hold fanworks to the same standards of editing as pro works for a variety of reasons, but I don't see why it's invalid for someone to have difficulty going from pro works to fanworks because they've grown used to the level of editing in pro works. It's not an indictment on fanworks.

It's not hypocritical for someone to call out something that bothers them in written work, while making mistakes themselves. The only way that's hypocritical is if you don't think a higher standard should be applied to written works than to say, emails and text messages. Myself, I would never give a text message (or DW response) the same amount of editing as my fic, or vice versa.

[(Anonymous)]

Secrets are a hundred words if that. If you fuck that up grammatically while complaining about other people's grammar and/or spelling, then I'm not going to be interested in reading your work.

Of course it's hypocritical. I'm bewildered how you can't see that it is.

You're making the exact mistake you're complaining about. If it's important enough to complain about, then it's important enough to take care in your own presentation, especially one that's only a couple of sentences long.

[blitzwing]

Secrets are a hundred words if that. If you fuck that up grammatically while complaining about other people's grammar and/or spelling, then I'm not going to be interested in reading your work.


That's fine; everyone has their own standards.

Of course it's hypocritical. I'm bewildered how you can't see that it is.

Hypocritical would be if the OP had loads of SPAG-error ridden fanfic while complaining about SPAG errors in others' fanfic.

You're making the exact mistake you're complaining about. If it's important enough to complain about, then it's important enough to take care in your own presentation, especially one that's only a couple of sentences long.

? Why does wanting relatively error-free fictional works mean one must submit even emails and secrets to the same process? Are you familiar with the typical editing process for a fictional work? It's literally not possible to do for writing that's going out in real-time communication. You can't get betas and proofreaders, and let messages mellow for weeks, and hold a real-time conversation.

What you're suggesting is not a realistic possibility.

[(Anonymous)]

"Why does wanting relatively error-free fictional works mean one must submit even emails and secrets to the same process?"

Because not to do so makes you look like an idiot.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's idiotic to not want to submit emails and secrets to an editor and go through the same revision process for those as what one would go through for a piece of fiction.

[blitzwing]

"Because not to do so makes you look like an idiot."

To you. It doesn't to me.

[(Anonymous)]

And, y'know, there's the collorary to Murphy's Law that says any time you bitch about grammar or spelling, your post will have at least one spelling error.

[(Anonymous)]

But you're under the impression that OP is a writer as well. They never said that. They said they were a reader. If one can't write well, that doesn't mean they can't have standards in what they're reading.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

To defend myself I don't give a shit when people misspell in casual context, but if you're writing a story and you make mistakes it's awfully hard to read it.

I'm not bitching about people making mistakes like I'm better than then, I'm just saying that makes it hard for me to even attempt to enjoy the story.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

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I'm with you, OP. I'm tolerant of misspellings and typos in (say) transient comments, but if it's a fic? Hello, spellchecker? When someone doesn't run their fic through a basic spellchecker, it suggests to me that they don't respect either their readers or their own work very much.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm right there with you OP.

It can be extremely time consuming and frustrating to find high quality fic, but the truly good ones are worth the effort. It used to be easier, back in the days of archives and email groups with competent gatekeepers. Unfortunately, most of the things that held fic to a higher standard have gone out of style in the name of inclusiveness. Things were harder for non-native speakers, among others, in days gone by, and I don't want to steal anyone's fun or harsh anyone's squee, but I miss quality control, and hardly ever make the effort to find fic any more. I just don't have the time or patience.

(I have noticed that the people who don't shy away from speaking their mind in defense of their favorite characters generally rec fic of higher quality, but they're often in fandoms that are of only secondary interest to me. I can't seem to find any loud, opinionated people in my favorite fandom, everyone's too polite.)