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[ SECRET POST #2852 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2852 ⌋

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In any piece on media of you starting out liking/disliking a character then changing your mind as you watched/read? Why?

I'm interested in what turns peeps off about characters or what causes them to give characters they dislike a second chance.

Lets see. I started out liking Xander on Buffy. I started to sour on him near the end of season 1, but I didn't fully hate him until season 2. It mostly came down to his feelings of ownership towards Buffy and Willow and his mile wide double standards.

On the other hand, I started out disliking Faith in season 3. But after I'd seen season 7 and Angel and had seen her whole arc, I started liking her and finally understanding the character.

Ditto to both your examples, although it took me longer to give up on Xander. He'd been getting steadily more unlikeable, but it wasn't until his behavior post-breakup with Anya that I switched over to outright loathing of the character.

I actually can't remember ever doing this -- I don't ever really dislike characters. Don't know why, it's just never happened to me. I always direct all my dislike onto the way the writers wrote them instead of the character him/herself. (Which is strange, because on the flip side, I have very strong feelings of affection towards characters themselves.)

Oh wait -- one exception: every single main character from Six Feet Under except David. Although I never liked Brenda to begin with.

Little by little I'm moving from "Damian Wayne is the worst thing to happen to Batman since Joel Schumacher" to "Damian Wayne is the worst thing to happen to Batman since Doug Moench." (Take my word for it, that's an improvement, if only slight.)

I think he's more interesting dead than alive. Bit like Hal Jordan pre-Rebirth that way.

Was Doug Moench that bad?

Yeah, it was boring at best, just plain stupid at worst. Coupled with Kelley Jones on art, the Batman flagship title was unreadable for a while.

Michonne. I wanted to like her in season 3 but found myself to be more and more bored as the season dragged on. Cue season 4, where she actually gets some nice development, and now she's my favorite.

I used to really dislike Emma Frost because I thought she was an asshole with few other qualities. After reading more comics featuring her I still think she's an ass to people (that's just her thing) but she's pretty funny and manages to have her fair share of poignant moments with other characters, so I generally enjoy seeing her featured as long as it's not in HUGE quantities. A moderate amount of Emma goes a long way.

I keep going back and forth on Wolverine. Sometimes he's a fun character and sometimes he's just a hypocritical douche (sure, let's have WOLVERINE of all people endlessly berate Scott for killing Professor Xavier while he wasn't even in control of himself and then threaten to kill time traveling teenage Scott who didn't even do anything and whose death wouldn't even bring back Xavier...). As with Emma, Wolverine works best as a minor character.

Mostly, I start liking characters more if they develop significant character growth or if they start doing awesome things. Especially if those awesome things are still rooted in the elements of their character that made them unlikable, if they start turning their character to advantage.

That's not a complicated answer I guess

Once I decide I love a character, I'm unable to change my mind for as long as I'm invested in the canon. Which is going to be fun soon considering the sharp turn my current favorite character just took.

Ward?

Nope. Slaine from Aldnoah.Zero.

I HATED him in The Avengers -- which was the first time I saw him onscreen since I skipped the first Captain America film.

He seemed like such a killjoy and he and Stark were constantly having a dick-measuring contest throughout the entire film. He just seemed to be acting like an alpha-male self-righteous douche throughout.

Then I rented Captain America: The First Avenger and watched The Winter Soldier and it completely reversed my opinion. I LOVE Steve Rogers in those films -- he's brave and humble and just such a genuinely GOOD and caring person. He had some sass, though, and he certainly was stubborn to a fault, but I loved him nonetheless.

Yeah, Steve's demeanor in the Avengers really only makes sense when viewed in context of what he experienced in the Cap movie. He just lost everyone he loved and the entire world he knew, and may have a touch of PTSD. Angry alpha-male behavior isn't his normal mode at all.

There were several characters in Tolkien that I disliked/hated but now like. I feel like in ten years, I'll end up liking ALL the characters.

For instance, I didn't care for Caranthir (and many of his brothers). Mostly, he was just a name and one of the seven brothers. Plus, he was an ass to his cousin Angrod. But, I read a good meta on him (mostly just a list of what actually is said about him) and made me see him in a different light. Plus, I kind of ship Haleth/Caranthir now :)

I also didn't like anyone connected to Turin, including his sister. However, when I read some of the original or expanded stuff about her (I think in Lost Tales?), it showed her in a very different light and I felt bad for her.

Even people like Denethor I like better now. I wouldn't say I actually like him, but he's much more complex than the movie would suggest. I feel like a closer reading helped understand him better (though he's still a bit of an ass).

J.D from Scrubs. When I first watched it I went from liking him to not liking him all that much but I couldn't remember why, and then I started re-watching it again and man. It's even more jarring as an adult to see how much of a tool he is. I don't super-hate him though and I like a lot of the other characters so I can still enjoy the show, but he is my least-favourite character.

And Ross from Friends. The last time I saw it I was a kid so I didn't really see how much of a douche he is, then I caught some re-runs on E4 a few weeks ago and my god every time he was with Rachel he was the worst. Like the actual worst. I don't know why my pre-teen/teenage self thought they were a cute couple, because they really weren't. And while he's better when he's not with Rachel he's still not a nice person and I find it hard to like him.

The more I re-watch Buffy, the more I like Spike and dislike Angel.
I remember being neutral on Spike and loving Angel.

Yes! I like dorky-Angel. Comedic-Angel. I like the funny guy named Angel on the series named Angel.

I really dislike the broody mysterious boyfriend (who reads Baudelaire, because he's, like, so dreamy and mysterious!) version of Angel who existed on Buffy.

I like dorky-Angel. Comedic-Angel. I like the funny guy named Angel on the series named Angel.

Yeeeessss, that's definitely the best Angel. The scene where he and Wesley are seen dancing like complete goofballs on an early episode of Angel never fails to crack me up (http://youtu.be/A8fcH8I4bp0?t=1m14s)

Edited 2014-10-25 06:51 (UTC)

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The two of them dorking it up that season was the best.

It really was! Too bad it didn't last :(

On Agents of SHIELD, Skye annoyed me so much at first, but as she became less one-note and more integrated in the team I started to like her more and more. Also when it was revealed that Coulson didn't actually get to select the other members of the team--that was May and Fury--Skye's special-snowflake-ness was retroactively redeemed for me, like, okay, she's the one that he actually had a say in. Coulson is a doll and so is Skye and now I love everyone on this bus except Ward who can step on a landmine, please.

generally speaking, it's depth of development. a character has to go from unlikeable to having at least one redeeming factor, a realistic one, and it's even better for characters who either evolve into more interesting/better people or reveal that they've been one all along.

I don't have a lot of examples that aren't One Piece, though. Oda is a master at taking characters I've loathed from the outset and putting enough work into them to make me 180 on them. The short list includes Usopp, Bon Kurei, Crocodile, Aokiji, Hacchan, Jimbe, Trafalgar Law, Bartolomeo, Corazon, and even Caesar Clown to a little extent. I hate myself for changing my stance on Caesar, no less, because it's as little as "he did that funny thing in that one scene" even though he's irredeemable trash.

Conversely, I don't really get turned off by characters but I do get tired or bored of them if they don't change. Or, if the writer(s) forgets that they even exist and shunts them to a background role, completely stripping them of their likeable qualities and failing to make use of their potential. See: Bleach.

I disliked Miles Edgeworth from the Ace Attorney series at first. Well, maybe dislike is a strong word... truthfully, I just didn't care much for him and thought he was kind of lame looking with all the frills. I wasn't at all impressed with him in the first game, and he was just a mean prick in court and a social retard outside of court.

Then little things happened over the course of the second game, and by the end of the final case I was like HOLY SHIT I'M IN LOVE WITH THIS GUY. I'm a sucker for character development, and I try to be open to even the asshole characters. But he changed into something truly amazing, a man in constant pursuit of the truth, a useful person who wanted to do good, instead of just being some lame rival with a thousand traps in court.

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