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Are there any sources for this other than an obvious right-wing tabloid?

In fairness, it's from a right-wing tabloid that happens to be quoting her memoirs. So it's her words.

That said, it's more kids playing doctor than sexual abuse.

No. Two 7 year olds looking at each other's genitals is playing doctor. A 7 year old bribing her 1 year old sister (though I think the bribing happened when she was older than 7) is NOT normal.

It's not normal, but neither is it sexual abuse.

na

...why?

because a 7 year old's innocent curiosity about how the human body works is not sexual abuse.

But she was older than 7 for some of this. And she did it repeatedly. A 7+ year old should know about personal space. And especially in regards to a baby.

Violating someone's personal space is still not the same as child sexual abuse

I'm not saying what she did was perfectly fine. It was definitely wrong. But it's also not sexual abuse and trying to tar and feather her as a sexual abuser is wrong, and also pretty clearly politically motivated in its origin. It is something wrong that kids do, not sexual abuse.

*Facepalm* the "it's not the same!!!" apology in this thread is ridiculous.

Yes, I will agree that it's different from an ADULT doing it. But it's still an abuse of the sister. Made even worse by the fact that she treats it like a "cute quirky little thing I did lol"

"But it's also not sexual abuse and trying to tar and feather her as a sexual abuser is wrong, and also pretty clearly politically motivated in its origin."
*eyeroll*

seriously? How is it wrong? She did a thing, she clearly doesn't have remorse (and its also pretty fucked up that she's airing this to the world despite her sister's feelings) and she should be able to face criticism. There's nothing "wrong" with criticizing a person for something they admitted to doing. What she did, bribing her sister with candy to do that shit is pretty damn predatory.

I'm so fucking sick of this "no you can't call it(be it abuse or rape) that when someone we LIKE does it". That's apology right there. "It's not rape/abuse when I/Person I like does it!"

She did a thing, she clearly doesn't have remorse (and its also pretty fucked up that she's airing this to the world despite her sister's feelings) and she should be able to face criticism. There's nothing "wrong" with criticizing a person for something they admitted to doing.

I agree with all of this, and I will repeat again that I think what she did was wrong, and it was certainly weird and wrong to write about it in her memoirs.

I also still don't think it makes sense to talk about it as abuse or rape, because it is not like those things. It has a superficial resemblance to those things, because of the comparison she makes to it, but it is not the same as those things. IMO it's massively disingenuous to say that what she did was rape or sexual abuse full-stop, and it appears to me that most people who are saying those things specifically are motivated by a disagreement with or dislike of Dunham.

Excuses , excuses.

Your feminist icon was a predator and a perv when she was kid. Try dealing with it instead of being an apologist.

She's not my feminist icon, I've never seen any of her work and I don't think I would like it

The motivations just seem to be absurd, and more about giving people like you the opportunity to say things like the thing you just said than about any kind of justice or logic

People like me?

I'm a woman who in the past considered herself a feminist. and have been told a million plus times that "rape and abuse is BAD" (which it IS) and how "people who do this are scum" and expect you guys to be consistent and not hypocritical.

But noooo anyone who criticizes this person is bad and only doing it for the wrong reasons and must be a greasy neckbeard.

You are disgusting and a hypocrite.

I am not saying this out of some political agenda. I am saying these things because I believe what Lena did IS a kind of abuse even if she didn't "MEAN" it can be considered child abuse.

So you admit that you're really angry at feminists, but you expect me to believe that has nothing to do with your vitriol here?

I don't think it was abuse. It was wrong, but it was a wrong thing done by a child, and it was not abuse. I don't think there's anything to be gained by railroading Dunham as a child molester. It's ridiculous.

*facepalm*

You are unbelievable. Sorry there is no big fucking political agenda behind my opinion here. Stop trying to accuse me of ulterior motives. I just think what she did was abuse and that its disgusting that you're jumping through hoops to say it doesn't "count" and that anyone who believes it does can only be a bad person who's wrong.

CHILDREN CAN ABUSE. No I wouldn't call her a child molester, but I would say she abused her sister.

For fuck's sake.....

I'm not the one who came in here yelling about feminist icons and how she used to be one and that was wrong somehow. That was you.

You're just pathetically desperate to find some reason, ANY reason that people who disagree with you on this subject are "wrong" and "bad".

People have different opinions on this, they're allowed to.

Now I'm not going to bother arguing with you, because it's clear you can't take another opinion without attacking the person having it as some kind of enemy.

Just grow up.

Are you purposely trying to be ironic, here?

But you immediately assume that anyone who disagrees with you must be one of "you guys" (i.e. feminists). How does that make you any different from what you're railing against? How does that not make you a hypocrite?

Yeah. Her memoir. As in she wrote it. She has said alot of her memoir was lies. If so, why would she lie and add events where she is sexually abusing her sister?

ayrt

Okay, that's fair.

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