[ SECRET POST #2864 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2864 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference in intent between accidental subtext and queerbaiting but I read fic for both just the same.

Accidental subtext is a lot rarer these days. Everyone's too aware. Old films and books, though, are rife with it.

I'm not actually sure which is worse, being so blind to gay relationships that the possibility doesn't even occur, or deliberately playing with the audience, but at least being aware.

[(Anonymous)]

Playing Devil's Advocate a bit with "Accidental subtext is a lot rarer these days. Everyone's too aware."

Maybe it's that very awareness that reads the accidental subtext into things?

We all know shippers who get into a new fandom with the sole intention of finding something to ship, whether there's any subtext there or not, and they'll over-analyze every single line until they can read something shippy into it.

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NA

Yup. That's what bugged me about that comment. Shippers find subtext everywhere. If it's a friendship, if it's a rivalry, if they're enemies, if they never even met... Not everything that fans ship is done like that intentionally. Fans choose what they ship based on favoured dynamics. There's no awareness on most creator's parts. It's just how it happens.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

and by "awareness" I mean of things such as that while they're creating. Awareness of fandom comes after the fact.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much my default position. Unless some information comes to light re: the creator's intent (such as the Wicked ref upthread), then I'm going to assume that intent is what we're shown. While everyone is free to read whatever they want to into that depiction, I don't think it's as clear cut as "deliberately written so that it can be read as gay" vs "written in some oblivious state where gay relationships can't exist" and that's my issue with subtext in general.

I'm never sure these days, especially when I'm checking something new out after learning about it in fandom circles, whether it's truly there or whether it's some fannish expectation on my part because we're half-conditioned to think it has to be there.

When no. Sometimes the cake is just a cake, y'know? And I kind of like the idea of it being a blank canvas I can work with.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Barbara.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Exactly. Great explanation!