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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-11-06 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2865 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2865 ⌋

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[Transformers: Prime]


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[Malcolm Tucker, The Thick of It]


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Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Some people go to clubs with their friends, and dance with their friends. And lots of people still want to choose who to interact with even though they have the nerve to be in a public space.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

And lots of people still want to choose who to interact with even though they have the nerve to be in a public space.

I agree, but does that necessarily make harassment a good lens with which to view things like what we're talking about here?
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Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

[personal profile] chardmonster 2014-11-07 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
If someone keeps trying to dance with you, you want them to stop, and they keep doing it--or if they keep staring at you, et cetera--that is harassment. It's a spectrum. I think the problem is a lot of us hear "harassment" and think it has to be major.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the response! That pretty much addresses what I was asking about, and it seems like a reasonable position to take.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Very good point about how we often perceive the word.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
But author did not say that. It seems by reading the text that approaching a stranger in a club to ask them to dance is akin to being a racist asshole.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
DA

I see what you're saying, but what I think the author means is the particular look. There's a look someone gives you when they want to dance with you, but there's a particular look that someone gives you when it's beyond the dancing, when it's "you're different. let me try this out".

I've gotten the latter look before, and I've given it too, so I know it exists.

That said, giving the latter look--I don't think necessarily makes you a racist asshole. I've given it because to a certain extent I'm curious--if you're not from the groups (be it cultural, racial, class) I normally associate with, you are new and different to me. And I'm curious.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
DA

I think it's one of those things where people can do the same thing in ways that convey completely different messages. Like a total stranger who pops up behind you and hisses "Hey, wanna dance?" in your ear from three inches away comes across very differently from the stranger who doesn't add all that creepy shit in there when making the exact same request. So yeah, asking someone to dance can be harassing and hostile, depending on how it's done.

Re: White men don't catcall, they harrass in other ways

(Anonymous) 2014-11-07 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Funnily enough most people are not mind readers. And when they see you in a club will assume you are there to dance (often with other ppl). You know like most people at a club.