[ SECRET POST #2867 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2867 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that MCU Stony is kind of the wishful thinking ship, and it's probably mostly popular because of the comics (and because Tony's the fandom bicycle and Steve's a hottie).

That said -- I'm assuming the "out of character" remark is in reference to Steve, since MCU Tony is an unapologetic asshole, especially to authority figures (of which Cap is one, whether he realizes it yet or not), most of the time. It's kind of his schtick, and it comes back to bite him in the ass repeatedly in the movies. Steve, on the other hand, is really only vicious if you expect him to know what the audience knows about Tony. Otherwise, it's mostly Steve calling him a bigshot and trying to punch holes in his ego, and occasionally asking him if it's possible for him to not be an asshole for 5 minutes.

And yeah, it's still a little out of character for Steve (although he does have a tendency to speak before he thinks occasionally). Still, he's only recently defrosted and has also been whacked with Loki's stick of pissiness when all this is going on. Steve's officially having a bad day.

[(Anonymous)]

No -- what seemed out of character to me is for Steve to be so "alpha" male. He came across as a bully with him repeating "put on the suit, let's go a few rounds" to Tony. Now, Steve was never one to back down from a fight or to try to help in a cause he thought was worthwhile (see him wanting to join the army or all his back alley fights).

But I found it INCREDIBLY out of character for him to be PICKING fights. It made him seem like a bully , which is the antithesis of the character.

[(Anonymous)]

da It seemed to me that Tony was the one picking the fight, and Steve rose to the bait, actually. All of this was exacerbated by Loki's scepter.

[(Anonymous)]

For god's sake -- it's like the term bullying has lost all meaning. For the record -- threatening to beat up Tony outside the suit would totally be bullying. Inside the suit, Tony can shoot a fucking repulsor beam through Steve's head. Captain America and Iron Man are on relatively even footing, with a few extra points going to Iron Man for being in a weaponized metal suit. Or do you think that if Tony had answered Steve's "Take away the suit and what are you" crack with "A middle-aged man with a heart condition, still wanna go a few rounds" that Steve would have kept offering to fight him?

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[(Anonymous)]

Why should Tony define himselv by his health condition? Replying like this doesn't make any sense at all. AND do you mean that one person should act in a way to please another person in order to not be beaten up?!

And you know of a thing called emotional bulling? So beating up someone is not the only option to be it.

[(Anonymous)]

They were under the influence of Loki's scepter and Tony was also being a douche. Though I do think Cap was horribly written overall in the Avengers, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if Whedon has a hate-on for the guy.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Whedon hates Cap, but AFAICT he finds him boring. He has no idea what to do with characters that are just good - see also: Thor.

[nyxelestia]

...that was the point? Everyone's negative personality traits was being greatly exacerbated by the scepter. Before they fell under the influence of the scepter, they seemed to only mildly irritate each other at the most, and once that influence was gone, they got on just fine.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

Though I've seen the argument that Tony's dickishness in the presence of the scepter is no greater than his dickishness other times, and that he's just stirring the pot. (Which makes sense, since later he ended up being the sole person Loki failed to suborn directly using the scepter.)

[(Anonymous)]

...that actually makes the most sense.

[nyxelestia]

I've seen that, too, but I honestly don't think he was free of the indirect influence of scepter, and that there is a difference between his behavior in that lab and his behavior in general. *shrugs* He is an insensitive ass most of the time, but he generally isn't that abrasive or confrontational if he doesn't have to be.

Before the scepter, Tony and Steve basically just irritated each other, but Tony's reaction was just to focus on someone he did like (Bruce) and Steve was ultimately just being a professional and trying to keep everyone on task - which is basically half his job right there.

The fact that they were all getting so needlessly aggressive with each other? That was the influence of the scepter. Steve and Tony may not have been friends or even gotten along that well, but they both would have largely just stayed on task and done their job as much as possible without that kind of influence.

I compare all of this to the scene on the jet when they're taking Loki back to the Helicarrier - before they were getting influenced by the scepter. I really don't see where people are coming from when they say that Tony was being a bully even then, because to me it just sounded like he was really, really awkwardly trying to make small talk or something. Steve didn't sound like he was rejecting Tony or being abrasive, either - he was trying to be professional and on-task. I can see how they may have misinterpreted each other's intentions, but it baffles me how much it appears the audience missed both their intentions, having that kind of outside perspective.

But then, I've seen people try to insist that the scepter had no influence on anyone at all, that it was just a dramatic misdirection, so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. -_-