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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-11-09 04:20 pm

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Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
But the question, to me, has to be: does the legalization make it easier, or harder, to fight human trafficking? does the legalization make it easier, or harder, to prevent exploitation? does the legalization make it easier, or harder, to ensure that these women have adequate medical treatment, police protection, etc?
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Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

[personal profile] ariakas 2014-11-09 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I honestly have no idea because it's not something I've ever researched. Sounds like something Google Scholar might be able to help you with.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
That's fair! I'm just saying, it doesn't really make sense to me to think about this in terms of ending exploitation totally.

I also think, fwiw, that there's value to having laws that are more coherent in general, and I think legalizing prostitution goes towards that end.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
And so the gurus you turn to in order to find answers is fandomsecrets?

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, I'm not the OP, I didn't start the thread or the discussion. Just making a point about the intent of these kinds of laws.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually just wrote an essay on this, funnily enough. Which is why I'm bothering to reply at all. Not saying that it was an amazing essay, or that I read all the available literature, but my impression is that 1) legalisation does make it easier to ensure medical treatment, police protection, etc, and also - and this is crucial - give the workers power to negotiate in their work place, i.e. choose their clients and not be controlled by the whims of their brothel owners who say, might decide that they can't use condoms because clients don't like them.

But there are also problems in the rhetoric of the politics around sex trafficking: there are parts of the US TVPA (Trafficking Victims Protection Act) that allows the US to put economic sanctions on other countries that don't have an anti-prostitution approach to stopping sex-trafficking, even though such approaches might not be in the best interests of the sex workers or might even harm their human rights - see Cambodia after it passed anti-prostitution laws a few years ago, and got criticised for the fact they allow sex workers to be detained in rehabilitation facilities indefinitely.

Also, NGOs that are anti-trafficking often have a skewed idea of how sex trafficking works - that external agents pick up women who are migrating for economic reasons and trick them into sex work. When really a lot of the studies show (at least from what I've read of sex work within Asia) that most commonly the 'agents' encouraging women into sex work are actually their friends and family, other people in the same village, and that often, even if women don't like the work, they stay because it's still preferable to say, back-breaking subistence farming in their poor hometown. Which basically means that sometimes some NGOs' work - raiding and rescuing women from brothels, for instance - is not actually helpful, and, in some cases, because they discourage clients, and make brothel owners more draconian, actually make sex workers' situations more unstable and financially vulnerable.

That's my two cents, anyway.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

* I forgot to say that my research wasn't on Sweden specifically, just sex trafficking in general with a Cambodian case study.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

Fuck, I was the anon above as well. SA not DA, ugh.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

[personal profile] solticisekf 2014-11-09 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
wait, what's the second point, aka 2)?
Or is the conclusion is that legalization is beneficial when it doesn't interact with US international politics? Somehow I can't imagine US passing restrictions on Sweden. =/

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

(Anonymous) 2014-11-09 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

Oh man, I am so not with it today and nothing I am writing makes sense. Just imagine there were numbers in front of the other sentences. Wherever you want them to be.

The point about the US was a general point about how anti-prostitution rhetoric internationally affects legislation around sex work, regardless of whether those laws adequately protect the human rights of workers.

Re:, OP's original point about Sweden's model, which decriminalises selling sex and but makes buying sex illegal, I haven't read anything about that specifically but everything I've read in general points me to thinking legalisation is better than decriminalisation in terms of worker's rights and wellbeing.

Re: Let's discuss the Swedish model of sex work

[personal profile] solticisekf 2014-11-10 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you wrote it, I enjoyed the read. I just though that maybe there's more. :D And, wow, so that's what Swedish system entails.