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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-11-12 06:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #2871 ]


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Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-11-13 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Russia didn't rule there, USSR did

That's true. I'm reasonably comfortable eliding the distinction in the context of a discussion of the historical relationship between Russia and the rest of Europe, but I should have been more precise.

it was a part of Ukraine and not a whole country deciding to side with Russia, btw.

That's true, but I think my characterization of the grounds of the dispute within the Ukraine was accurate - it was a dispute, within Ukraine, about whether Ukraine should be aligned with Russia or the European Union which then deepened into a broader partisan conflict. Obviously, the whole country didn't come down on the Russia side of the issue.

Re: DA

[personal profile] solticisekf 2014-11-13 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
the USSR thing is a bit funny because Ukraine was a part of USSR.

Many didn't like the fact that the Ukraine government decided against the alignment with EU, true. I agree.


There was also a lot of tension because of a dissatisfaction with the government - corruption, difficulties for business, etc.

The part that first sided with Russia depends on the tourism. I think it played a part when they held a vote during the political unrest - they didn't want to lose profits. Tourism and revolutions don't go well together. Seems logical. Then another region voted to side with Russia... idk about that.

Anyway, I hope they'll be ok this winter in Ukraine. Warm water is kinda essential.
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Re: DA

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-11-13 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Well the trouble is that "being part of the USSR" wasn't always the most voluntary thing there was, certainly not for all he inhabitants.

Honestly I don't have the answers here either, but from what I know the news about it in Eastern Europe vs. Western Europe is very different - i.e. - the word "war" is being used by my friends and family in Eastern Europe - in the West, it's taken a bit of a back seat in the news.

Re: DA

[personal profile] solticisekf 2014-11-14 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
agreed on the USSR thing.
The media covers it quite differently. Even people in Ukraine don't agree on what's happening, other countries don't stand a chance of getting reliable news.