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Definitely think about what you're doing at the polls! I'd love to vote for a third part (that I could get behind) that had an actual chance of going two-to-two with the Rs and Ds, but I have never seen this happen and it probably won't happen for another hundred years. Third parties just don't get the same funding as the big two and the voting population is very polarized between the popular parties.

toe-to-toe* (I was super riled up when typing this response)

The fact that a party won't win is IMO not a particularly compelling reason to vote for a party you don't agree with

There are compelling reasons not to vote for a third party you agree with (IE, tactical voting) but absent those considerations, I really don't understand why it matters whether the party has a chance at winning or not.

Because if you're voting for a party you know has no chance of winning, you're technically throwing away your vote. I'm not saying I vote for parties i morally disagree with just to beat out the party I hate the most. I vote for the party that meets most of what i agree with and has the best chance of winning.

Why does throwing away your vote matter, in and of itself

Because for some people certain parties winning the election is actually a threat to their civil liberties. I'm sorry but if I have three choices

Party A, which I do not agree with at all, and who will try and take away my rights and who have a good shot at winning
Party B, which I do not fully agree with but who will keep the status quo re: my rights and who have a good shot at winning
Party C, who I might agree with most but have virtually no shot at winning

of course I am going to go for party B. Because throwing away my vote in that scenario means there is a bigger chance of the people I really do not want in charge winning.

Okay, yes, I accept that, but that's what I meant when I was saying "outside of tactical voting".

In a situation where you don't have to vote tactically to keep a party out of power, what's wrong with throwing away your vote? Why is it bad in and of itself?

nayrt but in that case wouldn't "throwing away your vote" just not exist as a concept?

it does if it increases the chance of the party you like the least winning. Question: is it worth it? Right now, people are saying, it's not.

If everyone who wants to vote GOP votes GOP, and everyone who doesn't want the GOP to win votes D, then the Ds might oust the GOP (which in this case is more important than the Ds actually winning). If they vote libertarian/independent/green/whatever, the GOP might overtake the Ds, which would be bad.

I blame the plurality system tbh.

Sure, but how many legitimately competitive races are there in this country anymore?

... a lot? Do you even watch the news?

Doing some quick back-of-the-envelope numbers, I count 8 competitive Senate races (out of 33), 13 competitive gubernatorial races (out of 36), and something like 81 House seats that were even remotely competitive (out of 435).

By my math, that's about 2 out of 3 senatorial and gubernatorial races that aren't competitive, and something like 4 out of 5 house races. The vast majority of races in this country.

There's a lot more than just Senate and gubernatorial races, though. Local elections matter too.

Certainly, and if you'll note, I am in no way advocating not voting; I think you should vote in every election.

But I do think that there are many, many cases where the idea of 'throwing your vote away' doesn't make sense and there's no particular problem with voting for a third party in those cases.

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