[ SECRET POST #2878 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2878 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody is entitled to representation in media. Or to demand anything else from the creators thereof.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

agreed

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

And thus the status quo remains the same in media.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I suppose it depends on whether you think media is a reflection of society, or whether society takes its cues from its media.

If it's the former then that status quo needs to be challenged in society first, and asking media to create some sort of shortcut is lazy at best and ineffectual at worst.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

It's both at the same time, IMO. Media and society feed into each other in an endless loop, so you can't challenge one without challenging the other. Efforts have to be simultaneous, aimed at creators and consumers alike.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Quite the opposite.

More people, wanting representation, but not being able to get it, more people who actually care about good representation and not just box-checkers looking to get the new media off their back, these people will have to start creating, and given the freedoms already established that as a creator, you are not bound by what other people demand of you, they are then able to create GOOD representation for themselves.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Except then you run into a fuck ton of barriers by not being a white cis male, leaving the white cis males to produce content about white cis males.

I think you see the problem.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

with the internet so widely available, pretty much anyone can start up a webcomic, novel, or what have you and build up a following. barriers to entry have never been lower.

now i realize that that most pieces of those media probably won't ever become mainstream and there's still very real issues and barriers that discourage minorities, but they're definitely available to those who look.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That's the thing, though. Mainstream representation is what we need. The barriers make it nigh impossible to break that down ourselves.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

So instead of breaking those barriers down like every oppressed people that have ever achieved anything, we now just bitch about it on the internet until cis!het!white!able-bodied!males do what we tell them to?

Ah, the internet age. Abandon hope.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Considering that black characters are still largely handed stereotypes, you really have no room to talk on this.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

But everybody's entitled to whine ineffectually on the internet, so here we the hell are.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda agree with this; demanding creators produce diversity, if it ever leads to anything, will probably lead to something that's superficial at best. Instead of demanding media representation, people concerned should try supporting media created by who they want representation from and support initiatives that would encourage more [insert label here] creators.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda agree with this; demanding creators produce diversity, if it ever leads to anything, will probably lead to something that's superficial at best.

There's a difference between a creator giving in to demands they don't actually empathize with just because they think it'll make people happy, and creators genuinely developing a greater awareness of diversity that influences their work. The latter does actually happen, though it probably isn't much influenced by tumblr caterwauling.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between a creator giving in to demands they don't actually empathize with just because they think it'll make people happy them more money, and creators genuinely developing a greater awareness of diversity that influences their work.

There, fixed that for you.