[ SECRET POST #2882 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2882 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 061 secrets from Secret Submission Post #412.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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07. http://i.imgur.com/c9FnYzD.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Let me introduce you to "The Lies of Locke Lamora" by Scott Lynch...

[(Anonymous)]

ah, crap, misfire.

[(Anonymous)]

I read that book. It was great, apart from the excessive violence. Not that it wasn't appropriate for the world, it was just that it went into a little to much detail for my tastes.

Otherwise, a great book. I'd buy the whole series if there was less violence, I absolutely adored the rest of it. The worldbuilding was amazing and the writer can really use words.

[(Anonymous)]

"Republic of Thieves" is sitting right there on my bookshelf waiting for me to read it. I need to make some time to read it. It better offer a grovelling apology for the end of "Red Seas Under Red Skies" and FIX IT.

[neoyi.livejournal.com]

A friend got me into this knowing I have a huge thing for Lovable Rogues and Locke hit all my right buttons. I need the next book already.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're comparing apples to oranges. When I reblog a fic, I have to say something about the fic to convince my followers to give said fic a try, because unless it's a two paragraph ficlet, they're going to have to click a link to get to it. When I reblog art, the art is right there to speak for itself, it doesn't need my help.

Should we make the effort to praise the artist by sending a message? Probably. But humans are lazy. (And sometimes scared to talk to each other.)

Also, check the tags. When I reblog fanart that impresses me I often say something in the tags.

[(Anonymous)]

"When I reblog art, the art is right there to speak for itself, it doesn't need my help."

This is kind of how I feel. The very act of reblogging the art means I want it on my dash and think it looks great and want other people to look at it too. If I didn't love it I wouldn't reblog it in the first place.

And sometimes I feel like tags such as "this is so cute!" or "this is so pretty!" are actually quite lacklustre and generic so I don't say anything at all.

(On your point of people being scared to talk to each other, I've also seen artists be scathing about people who add comments to their work -- even praise/positive remarks -- so I wouldn't be surprised if people are wary of 'altering' the original art post in the first place.)

Op

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I check the tags plenty. Actually, I was mostly talking about the tags into the secret since not many people added a commentary to the original post >_

[(Anonymous)]

It's easy to say, "Oh, the writer liked your work, oh, the rebloggers liked your work", but actual notes scratch an itch that reblogs just don't. I feel you, secret-maker.

And as a Binding of Isaac fan I accept your apology.

Op

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, and thanks. I'll be over there, being a sad artist that plays too much Isaac (It's been really hard staying away from rebirth to do some actual work!)

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's an odd sort of thing that happens when art is intrinsically linked to a fic, be it someone deciding to do fanart of a fic the love or, as in OP's case, a Big Bang situation.

The fic and the art kind of become an amalgam, and often the art is seen as promotional or supplementary material for the fic rather than a standalone piece.

But when fic and art are a package then praise for either is kind of praise for both, so I wouldn't get that disheartened OP.

Op

[(Anonymous)]

That makes sense, I guess, I just... It's kind of frustrating when all you see are comments and tags like "the story was so good!" "check this story out" "I love this fic"
I mean, they are so specific that no matter how hard I try, it's difficult to find some interests for the art in a sea of comments that only talks about the story. Weh.

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard this complaint before from Big Bang artists, or any art/fic exchange, and it really is unfair, I agree. The writers seem to get the attention when the art can be just as good (if not better).

I don't know what you can do other than pimp the art around yourself, as attached to a story, rather than the other way around. The set-up for a Big Bang is that it's for longfic, so that's always going to be the focus of promotions. It's natural, but annoying, and doesn't help attract good artists if they seem to play second fiddle in the result.

Commiserations, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

What an ungrateful brat.

[(Anonymous)]

Would you like it any better if people were reblogging the writing post and keeping their comments on the fic to that post, and still saying nothing about the art? I don't think so; just own up to wanting more comments already.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP

Why are you answering your own question for OP? As an artist, I actually WOULD rather have comments for the fic be on the fic post than my art post. Don't assume everyone would rather get excited they got a comment or reblog of their fanart only to see that it's not even about their own work.

Also, even though OP is definitely not complaining about not getting enough comments (they are irritated that they are MISPLACED), there is nothing wrong with wanting comments. There's a pretty good chance the artist put just as much time and effort into their fanwork as the author, and generally speaking, fic gets waaaay more attention than art.

[(Anonymous)]

Because this secret seems to put more emphasis on blaming people for liking the fic instead of praising OP's art. I doubt they'd be happy if they got the reblogs with no comments of any kind, about fic or art, and I want them to admit that.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You seem awfully invested in something that has absolutely no impact on you whatsoever.

Even if OP did just want comments praising their art, not that there's a thing wrong with that, they're certainly under no obligation to admit anything to you.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you think anyone would prefer getting comments praising someone else's fanwork than getting no comments at all on their own fanwork post? Do you really think if an author spent a lot of time writing a fic based off someone's art, and the only comments they got were "The art is soooo amazing!", that the author would find that at all satisfying?

[(Anonymous)]

Generally speaking though, fic tends to generate more comment than art in this sort of situation because the fic is the original thing that the illustrations stemmed from. There's going to be more to say about the fic itself because there's simply more to respond to. Again, generally speaking, the art is there as-is, which generates less discussion.

What sort of response does your art by itself usually get, OP? Do you usually get more specific comments? What kind of comments would you like to get -- are you okay with variants on "this is hot/cute!" or are you looking for more in-depth stuff? If that's the case, then Tumblr might not be the best venue for you to get feedback, since it's very much a 'see nice art, like, reblog, rinse and repeat' sort of environment.

Op

[(Anonymous)]

I certainly agree that tumblr is not the place for long and articulated comments, and while I'd love to get those (but those happens so rarely even outside of tumblr, really) I'm usually just fine and dandy with people tagging the reblogs with tags that are not just x:character x:fandom and express their opinion on the piece. Those kind of reblogs make my days.
But I don't get irritated about people reblogging with no tag, too. I'm fine with it, they liked the art enough to reblog it even without a commentary and that's fine too. It's just that particular situation in which I feel the commentary is kind of misplaced that makes me sigh. I'm also now wondering if my author ever saw these comments about their story that are on my post, if they didn't that'd be double sad. I think I'm gonna go tell them to check the reblogs of the art for some feedback, now XD

[(Anonymous)]

I understand where you are coming from. I've been drawing like mad lately and you spend so much time on your work that it does sting when no one likes or comments on your piece. I mean, I understand that the posts are about the fic and the art is just to facilitate that, but still its so gratifying when you have confirmation that other people are enjoying what you've created. Just like any other fic writer, I'd imagine.

[(Anonymous)]

Ooooookay here goes:

- China Mieville - everything basically
- Ursula K. LeGuin - A Wizard of Earthsea, she also has some excellent sci-fi
- Mervyn Peake - Gormenghast

Some YA:
- D.M. Cornish - Monster Blood Tattoo series
- Garth Nix - Sabriel/Lirael/Abhorsen
- Isobelle Carmody - Obernewtyn (sorta sci-fi tbh)
- Paul Stewart & Chris Riddell - Edge Chronicles
- Phillip Reeve - Mortal Engines (sci-fi but it doesn't feel sci-fi if that makes any sense?)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry to hear about that, OP. I had exactly the opposite problem: everyone loved my artist's art and only a handful even went back to read the fic. Big bangs can have fic or art really overshadow each other, unfortunately.