[ SECRET POST #2882 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2882 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well that is what happens when pretty much the entire genre is based of ripping off just one book: The Bible.

More seriously, you need to read more widely. It was true that up until the mid-90s most of the genre was LotR ripoffs, but that is nowhere near true any longer. Remember, a lot of "science fiction" works (particularly any books whose genre ends in the "-punk" suffix) are actually Fantasy-Fiction rather than speculative fiction or science-based fiction. Although you still have space-orks, although I believe they prefer to call them Klingons.

[(Anonymous)]

Err, I don't get the Bible connection?

[(Anonymous)]

Kings, wizards, demons, mythical creatures, invading armies, the chosen one trope, its pretty much all there. Even the generic old timey tribal societies.

[(Anonymous)]

...yeah, no.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? None of that appears in the bible? None at all?

[(Anonymous)]

But the Bible didn't invent those things at all. That's folklore - pagan, if anything. And I mean, kinds, demons, magic, mythical creatures... that's pretty much every culture's foklore ever.

[(Anonymous)]

It did collect them all in one book though. Pinned them down, immutably, in word form though. The bible has been the codifier of everything in the fantasy genre.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really agree. I would say confidently that folklore, especially European folklore, has been the primary influence of the fantasy genre, not the Bible. Didn't Tolkien say lots of his ideas came from Norse folklore, for example? Sure, the Bible was an early "fantasy epic" if you will but it wasn't even the first book that put together epic stories of monsters and armies and adventure - think the Iliad and the Odyssey, for example. I don't see anything unique in the Bible that wasn't already done in folklore, and many fantasy staples aren't a part of the Old Testament at all (elves, etc).

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't Tolkien say lots of his ideas came from Norse folklore, for example?

Yyyyup. Almost all of it, in fact.

AYRT is full of crap.

[(Anonymous)]

That's quite a stretch. Especially since the tropes you name predate the Bible, so... no, your theory doesn't work, I'm afraid.

[(Anonymous)]

I think OP was just trying to cause wank.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's a possibility. They're really trolling in the wrong place if they're looking for lot of pearl clutching about the Bible being fantasy, though. I'm an atheist and I still think anon's theory was pretty weak.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I'm a christian and I'm not clutching, plus I think the argument is weak too. (I'm also a life-long fantasy genre fan too.)

[(Anonymous)]

None of that is unique to the Bible.

Beyond that, most of what we consider the bulwarks of fantasy, and the things that OP complains about, come from Tolkien. And Tolkien based much of his world off of the folklore of northern Europe.

Dragons with hordes: Saga of the Volsungs.

A ring that corrupts its bearer: Saga of the Volsungs.

Dwarves, elves, and wizards: various sagas and Norse mythology (and, yes, elves crop up in other places as well, but Tolkien elves are very alfar-ish).

And, seriously, kings and invading armies? The real world has had (and still has, in some places) kings, and cities and nations have been and still are often invaded. The Bible didn't invent stories about them; stories about them exist because people talk about them. You're trying way, way too hard to manufacture a connection, here.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

The only vague link I can come up with is that J.R.R Tolkien based the cosmology of LotR firmly on an ultimately monotheistic model.

Thing is, a lot of the people who have based their fantasy on his basic model since then have subverted that and used a genuinely polytheistic model, with no over-god in the background of their pantheons.