fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #355]

⌈ Secret Post #355 ⌋

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26. I don't get why people can't just like characters. They're characters, it's not like you have to live with them. Sure, CC would be a gigantic pain to be around if she were real. But so would Lelouch. Actually, most of the characters in that show aren't good people, but isn't that what makes them interesting? Aren't Asuka's violence and inferiority complex what makes her character interesting to watch? Can't we just watch characters and appreciate what they do as characters and how they interact with the story, rather than declaring them cliche or an annoying "type?"

I initially had a problem after I broke up with my boyfriend - I saw him in all my favourite characters. I couldn't watch any of them without realizing that the things they do to others are the things that upset me. But then I remembered an argument I had with him about how I could like weak, stupid characters. I like them because they're not my friends or my boyfriend - they're a character. They don't have to be perfect or likeable to be well-written.

I don't get why people can hate tsunderes or yamato nadeshikos on a whole. Hate them if they're poorly written, if they're 2-dimensional and completely underdeveloped, hate them if they show no real thought went into their design. But for gods sake, don't hate a character just because you don't like some personality type or role that they fit into. Hating an entire archetype from the get-go comes off as really stupid, and I don't get why it's the female ones that get such bashing. Why don't I see any secrets about how people hate inexperienced heroes or dark and brooding heroes?

And actually, they might be a stereotype as well, but I don't think you chose very good examples, because at least a couple of your examples break other stereotypes - Kallen and Asuka pilot mechas. Do you know how many women pilot mechas in mecha animes? Now that's a stereotype that I think needs to get broken. And CC, imo, was a brilliant turn - the first episode paints her off as the mysterious, pretty, yamato nadeshiko type. I mean, hero finds her in a box and she grants him magical powers, and she looks like a gentle sweet character and all. And then she turns out to be anything but. So yeah, they might be some stereotypical bitch character, but at the same time, can't you appreciate the parts of their character that defy stereotype?

42. I wish Clamp would finish Clover. It was adventurous in it's style, it had mature, unique, and interesting characters. It told an incredible story in a creative way, the world felt alive and fascinating. All-in-all, I think it was one of, if not the best work they've ever done. But Clamp writes what sells. I've given up on hope for X or Clover, because really, they just disappoint me.

Edited 2007-12-26 22:11 (UTC)

This is exactly how I feel about characters, and why I find it so hard to hate most of the ones that fandom hates. I've been known to get pissy at poorly-written characters, but it doesn't happen that often because usually when I find enough poorly-written characters I lose interest in the canon, heh. Other than that? ...yeah.

42. huh? But Clover *is* finished with its four volumes... isn't it?

Not so far as I know. I don't recall how long it was supposed to be, but it was more than four volumes. Last I heard they still intended to do more, but since nothing has happened with it, I doubt they ever will.

I can agree with some of this. I do like some tsundere characters in fact, if they have enough original traits I like. CC is one of them, for most of the reasons you nailed. Kallen is also one, but not for being a female mecha pilot (I don't think that breaks any stereotypes, either. Almost every mecha anime I've watched has its token female pilot. Maybe I need to watch more old school mecha?) but for her ability to pull off the fake schoolgirl persona and keep a level head when most tsunderes would probably lose to their true temper and give themselves away.

I don't hate all the characters, I just hate that they have to be a part of the stereotype. And yes, there are male character stereotypes I hate and rant about too.

26. I don't get why people can't just like characters. They're characters, it's not like you have to live with them. Sure, CC would be a gigantic pain to be around if she were real. But so would Lelouch. Actually, most of the characters in that show aren't good people, but isn't that what makes them interesting? Aren't Asuka's violence and inferiority complex what makes her character interesting to watch? Can't we just watch characters and appreciate what they do as characters and how they interact with the story, rather than declaring them cliche or an annoying "type?"

Big fat word.

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again: I <3 you 100% of the time.

I really fail at replying to comments. xD Sorry.

You're one of the people on this comm whose comments usually make me nod enthusiastically. I'm glad I'm not just rambling incoherently.

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