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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-03 06:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #2892 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2892 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Brendon Urie, Panic! at the Disco]


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[Legend of Korra]


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[Natalie Dormer]


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(CE3K)


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[Kiefer Sutherland, The Lost Boys]


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[Diego Luna/The Book of Life]


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[British comedian Jon Richardson, 8 out of 10 Cats]


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[BBC Robin Hood]










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Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-03 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really see how reading secondary sources about a text is cheating at all. I mean, sure, if your assignment is read a book, then read the book and don't pretend you did, but I personally think it's a good practical skill to always read about a text from secondary sources, too, preferably a variety.

I guess the only thing it will cheat you out of is the opportunity to personalize analyze the text before you read someone else's analysis (better to read the text yourself and brainstorm a little yourself, then read the Sparknotes). But if looking at a summary is what you need to sludge through Beowulf, then why not.
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Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-12-04 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
The problem is a lot of these books, particularly so-called "classical literature" from 100-200 years ago, are difficult to really analyze because they're borderline-unreadable.

Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-04 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

Lord, yes. I got through about a third of Last of the Mohicans, said "screw this", and used Wikipedia and SparkNotes for the rest of that section of class. And given that I got a 94% on the essay, I must have at least looked like I'd read the book.

Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-04 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
so you were too stupid to read a real book all the way, and you feel proud??
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Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-12-04 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
0/0

Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-04 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

...where did I say that I felt proud of this? Also, have you ever tried to read Last of the Mohicans? There is infinitely better classic literature out there (what I assume you mean by "real book"). Lots of "real books" can get more than a few pages into a chapter before bogging down in description and redundancy.

And while I realize this is petty, I'm seriously amused by the fact that you're calling me stupid for not reading the whole book, and yet you yourself cannot correctly capitalize and punctuate a single sentence.
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Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

[personal profile] othellia 2014-12-04 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, this. Even Mark Twain hated the Last of the Mohicans.

Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-04 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

But I agree. I guess I didn't say this as clearly as I would've liked in the previous comment, but I think reading all the Sparknotes before you read the book (or without reading the book) - not only Summary, but Symbolism, Themes, whatever sections they have - does deprive you of the chance to go in fresh to a text and make your own conclusions. I don't think it's bad, per se, but you do miss out on that opportunity. So in that sense, if a teacher is trying to encourage students to come up with their own original interpretations, that would be sort of "cheating".

but just using a summary as sort of a guide as you read a confusing, older book, I don't see the problem at all. Especially considering a lot of classics have somewhat famous plots and it's unlikely you'll go into one of those books with absolutely no idea what's going to happen beforehand anyway.
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Re: Is Spark/Cliffs Notes always cheating?

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-12-04 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, fair enough!