[ SECRET POST #2899 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2899 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

Hah, I think the pout is part of the charm for some of us, OP. But each to their own.

I'm going to fight you on the plot, though. While it certainly is not the greatest cinematic masterpiece of the last 50 years, it was certainly considerably above average for a superhero action movie.

But YEAH, it is really hard to avoid Juggernaut ships. I'm lucky now, but I went through the bombardment of Thorki, and Johnlock and for some reason I cannot escape Supernatural even though I'm not part of the fandom.
So yeah, I think you only realize how hard it is to avoid when you don't ship the big ships.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the plot was pretty bad. Or, well, I thought Hydra was bad. They felt way too much like a ridiculous 80s cartoon villain, cheerleader "hail hydra!!!" chant and all. I also found the movie boring as hell, but I found the first CA movie boring, too. Disappointing since I love WWII movies.

[kallanda_lee]

I'm not too fond of Hydra myself, because it basically still stems from the propaganda days. That being said - compared to the comics I've read, the manged to handle Hydra quite well - and really, they're such a part of CA lore they're hard to ignore altogether.

Also I think that if you go in expecting a WWII film, you're going to be disappointed, because it's more a superhero movie than a war movie.

I didn't find either boring - but, tastes and colours, you know.

[esteefee]

I'm sorry, but the plot of that movie had holes you could fly a helicarrier through. It was plain awful. Three tiny helicarriers to somehow cover the entire planet Earth with lasers? Ever heard of line-of-sight? What is the refire rate on those laser cannons, that they can somehow fire *millions* of shots without melting down, or before the helicarriers get targeted and shot down? Why not make 100,000 tiny drones with a single laser each instead of 3 helicarriers? Makes a hell of a lot more sense, doesn't it?

Don't get me started on the "triangulation" macguffin.

And have you ever seen Real Genius Here is a rendering of a laser targeting from atmosphere for your enjoyment.

It didn't help that The Winter Soldier didn't show up until halfway through and pouted his way through the rest of it without speaking. Sorry, but I don't think they wrote him much of a part. I was so keyed in to enjoy his story after reading a thousand fanfics, but they didn't deliver.

[(Anonymous)]

You went in expecting fanon Bucky? No wonder you were disappointed. The irony of you believing fandom would get fuck all right while bitching about crappy movie science is fucking laughable.

[esteefee]

Don't be absurd. I went in expecting to see how very *different* it would be from fandom's interpretation. Silly me, expecting a movie called The Winter Soldier to actually be about, you know, The Winter Soldier. It sure the heck wasn't.

The plot holes just made it more laughable. I mean, not only did they seem to forget what the movie was supposed to be about, but they didn't even get right the bits they were focusing so hard on.

[kallanda_lee]

Okay, but even in the comic book, you only get glimpses of the Winter Soldier op to the buildup confrontation with Steve. I mean, it's more elaborate - but the whole point is that you think you see this new enemy and then in the end realize who it is.

And thematically, it really is centered around him.

To Steve, we basically have all the ones he loved being dead or not remembering him. We seem him trying to forge a new friendship with Sam (which could be seen as trying to move on from his best friend being dead). We also learn about Natasha's past through the Winter Soldier. We can presume he's at least party responsible for Pierce's power.

As for your criticism of the action parts of the plot: if that's your beef, I feel like you probably hate 90 percent of action movies out there. Yeah, it's not realistic - nor is a dude being preserved in ice for decades, or tech that makes you look like an old lady, or people that turn green through Gamma radiation.

100.000 drones might have made more sense, but they'd have been less visually interesting, and less containable plot-wise.

What I mean is: even when the Winter Soldier is not physically on screen, it IS about him and the impact he had on pople through the years in both good and bad incarnations.

[esteefee]

Yes, it's more elaborate. That's the point. They cut for time a whole bunch in this film to accommodate all the other stuff they shoved in. It's like they were trying to make two movies. You have to admit they cut a lot of Winter Soldier backstory stuff, right? We got one lousy two minute scene to imply a lot of things, and that was it. If we as fans weren't aware of what happened to Bucky in the intervening years, we'd be utterly clueless. Have you seen Time by lim? That's all they gave her to work with. Bucky sitting in a chair for seventy years. It's brilliant, because lim is, but it only underscores how meager the offering was. No amount of "he's supposed to be the mysterious force behind everything but not actually explored as the title character himself" is going to convince me they didn't just cop out because they were busy stuffing a whole other movie into the one they should have been making. A much simpler one (or why not make into two).

100,000 coordinated drones would be less visually interesting than helicarriers we've already seen? Drones which are more topical and actually exist and thus are more terrifying (and pertinent to the theme they were supposedly exploring about fascism hiding in plain sight)? And if a writer can't figure out a way to plot taking down the central computer managing the drones' software upgrades then...well, s/he is no writer, but I'd love to see the Falcon and Steve battling drones to get to the target.

I don't ask a lot of my technobabble, but I do expect it to make some modicum of sense, or to make no sense at all (gamma radiation), in which case it's easy to suspend disbelief. It's the stuff in the middle that is patently ridiculous that makes me throw up my hands and go "Who wrote this stuff? And how did it possibly get by the tech screeners? Or did they cut them from the budget to make that third helicarrier for no reason whatsoever?"

I'm actually not that demanding a superhero movie watcher. I enjoy a strong, simple storyline and ridiculously good fun hero movie (I really enjoyed X-Men Origins: Wolverine, e.g.) It's when they have pretensions of doing something grander and really screw it up that I get critical and disappointed.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think superhero movies are for you.

[esteefee]

I live for them. I just love well made ones. This one was a mess. You could see the seams where they cut for time.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything you say here is so, so accurate. The movie was a sloppy mess that lacked logic and there wasn't enough of the character to demonstrate any of his characteristics to the audience in the movie.

[esteefee]

Thanks.