[ SECRET POST #2899 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2899 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Or, you know, instead of going "I'm going to write this canon character as trans because she's a boyish girl so she's obviously trans," people could create trans characters who are trans because it's an organic part of their character, not a bid for SJW brownie points.

[(Anonymous)]

And you could stop acting like you live in the brain of every person who writes a trans character. Because, maybe you didn't notice the lack of squishy brain matter surrounding you, but you don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Every single trans person I know IRL finds that type of fic horribly offensive and would agree with the secret maker.

[(Anonymous)]

But how do you know this: "I'm going to write this canon character as trans because she's a boyish girl so she's obviously trans," is WHY anyone is writing a fic? You don't. Stop pretending like you do.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I think it depends heavily on the fandoms you hang out in because I can tell you from personal experience that I see a lot of that exact logic in some of my fandoms. Male character who is slightly feminine? Immediately gets labeled as a transgirl. Masculine female character? Transguy.

It's never the characters who fit into their stereotypical gender roles who get written as trans, which does come across as being more than a little fetishizing.

[(Anonymous)]

This. People do it consistently for Arya Stark.

She dressed as a boy to save her life, and she likes swordfighting. That doesn't mean she's a transboy.

[(Anonymous)]

it doesn't mean she's not, either

medieval murderville aside, my (ftm) brother looked & acted a TON like arya when he was that age, it made me really weirdly nostalgic to watch

i mean, yes cis is a completely valid reading of the character, she passes as a boy for logistical reasons, no question, and she hates GoT gender roles because they suck, absolutely, but overlapping motives are a thing? she could conceivably have even MORE reason to hate GoT gender roles and feel comfortable with her disguise if she WERE trans

'everyone's true gender confirms precisely to normal western gender stereotypes' is indeed fucking obnoxious logic tho

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't Arya stress that she's a girl whenever people assume she's a boy though? If she's not cis then she's probably genderfluid at most.

[(Anonymous)]

Prior to going to Braavos, Arya's main concern is her own safety, so no, she doesn't draw attention to herself by correcting people who misgender her. She's collecting a lot of names/aliases, but only male one is Arry.

Brienne is actually misgendered more often (because of her height and physique), but is very firm on being a lady. Although tbh, I think Arya would be happy with an adolescence like Brienne's, who was eventually encouraged to train as hard as a boy and to be just as skilled.

[(Anonymous)]

Could've sworn she was fine being female though, she's just mad that she's boxed into expected roles as a result of being female. And it may have only happened on the show, but I'm pretty sure she at least once, prior to everything going to shit, goes "I'm a girl!" to guys who mistake her for a boy. She pretends to be a boy out of necessity.

That said, I can see her as being either way once she joins The Faceless Men, considering what they do. People just tend to be put out that she gets labeled as trans simply because she's a tomboy. It's just more gender essentialism.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Just popping in to say you're remembering correctly. In the books too, in Arya's first scene with Syrio Forel, he calls her "boy" multiple times. She doesn't react the first two times, but the third time she objects.

It was the third time he had called her "boy." "I'm a girl," Arya objected.

Also, later when Yoren is talking to Ned after Arya tries to warn him about the plot she overheard:

"And this must be your son. He has your look."

"I'm a girl," she said, exasperated.

She definitely has some mixed reactions, though -- sometimes she doesn't mind/is neutral at being mistaken for a boy, and later embraces it/takes advantage of the mistake to avoid being recognized, and sometimes she protests.

[diet_poison]

Shit, people do it with Arya?

She even got angry when people called her a boy (when she no longer needed to hide)

[(Anonymous)]

It really does. I've been in fandoms where they followed that logic to a extreme [basically, everyone who showed any non-standard gender-role interests must be trans according to the fandom], and fandoms where that only happened for a character who erm. Let's just say they didn't understand how biology worked, and therefore assumed they were a guy*, which can actually make sense depending on how it's written.

*Because they'd been told that they were by the people in charge, despite obviously not being one

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking hell I'm sick of this. There's a male character in my fandom who very clearly identifies as male, but he gets written/headcanoned as trans or non-binary all the fucking time because he looks a bit more feminine than the other male characters.

It's getting to the point where people are starting to treat it like it's canon when it completely contradicts canon. Like, it's impossible to write him the way they do without blatantly, directly going against the character's established personality traits and attitude. God I'm so mad about this shit. How do people not get that it's the exact opposite of progressive to jump on anything that's not completely gender conformist and use it as evidence of a character's gender identity, while ignoring everything else about that character?

[(Anonymous)]

Slight off-topic, but I'm relatively new to fandom and fanfic, and I find it amazing how fanon can just sort of take over. Not long ago I wrote an AU kidfic, and got lectured because a prepubescent male character noticed a girl was pretty--reader claimed he should "never be shipped with female characters!"

Well, in *canon*, he has both *a wife* and *a girlfriend.* But apparently fandom has decided he's gay, and this reader was kind of bent out of shape about it.

I actually have to stop sometimes and ask myself whether an element I'm using is canon or fanon. I just like to remember which is which, whatever I use!

[diet_poison]

It also really makes me mad because it fucks with feminism and gender issues. I'm a woman who has some classically masculine hobbies and traits, and I'M STILL A WOMAN, THANKS. This is also why I got so mad when I heard they were transifying Rainbow Dash, since the single biggest reason I love her so much is that she represents that in popular media - that it's possible to be rough-and-tumble and have some "boyish" traits and still be female and identify as such.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't bullshit. You'd say it was for brownie points even if the character was original, or if the character was an apparently-sex-conforming canon character.

[(Anonymous)]

that's not what the fucking secret said