[ SECRET POST #2901 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2901 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Legally Blonde]


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03.
[Mikey Way, My Chemical Romance]


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05. [ SPOILERS for American Horror Story: Murder House (season 1) ]



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06. [ SPOILERS for Into the Woods ]



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07. [ WARNING for non-con/rape ]



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08. [ WARNING for non-con/rape ]



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09. [ WARNING for genocide, etc ]



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10. [ WARNING for incest ]



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11. [ WARNING for abuse ]

[Begin Again]


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12. [ WARNING for suicide ]

[Starsky and Hutch]












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Comments

[fscom]

06. [ SPOILERS for Into the Woods ]
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[ginainthekingsroad]

Well when you say "as a consequence", that's only really true insofar as it meant she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The Giantess doesn't stomp her as a moral judgement!

And tbh, if she survives that means the rest of Act II has no plot ("Your Fault", "No More", etc.).

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes the narrative can come across as punishing a character for something even if, objectively, the "crime" and the "consequence" have nothing to do with each other.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Not saying that's necessarily the case here, just that the lack of actual causal relationship doesn't mean it isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

OP:

This. It just seems too coincidental that she cheats on her husband and then immediately gets killed. I would be happiest if she got a Disney death -- everyone thinks she died, she comes back at the end after fighting her way out of a giant footprint she accidentally fell into, the chorus sings, Ta~da!

[(Anonymous)]

da

I think it's possible for stories to "punish" even when it's not direct. But I never once got the sense that the baker's wife was killed for any punishment. Even though she committed adultery, she had the chance to sing about it, and it's her character's critical moment, which she sings about. Her realization is celebrated, we're supposed to identify with her. Then she dies. Of course it affects the plot, but I think it was supposed to be shocking in its randomness - I know when I first saw the play, I never saw it coming. I'm sure it was at least in part intended to keep the story dark, but the last half (or whatever it was) of Act 2 is when the story thematically comes together, and her death served as a catalyst for that.

tl;dr - I don't think the wife was "punished" by the narrative at all. Except, perhaps, in that she was ready to get out of the weirdness of the woods and the story wasn't done there yet.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I watch things differently from everyone else, but I never picked up on the "punished by the narrative" idea unless the other characters act like the character who died deserved it. I never watched anything and thought "Oh I better not do what that character did or else some random coincidence will get me killed, too."

[(Anonymous)]

No one thinks that the Giantess decides to stomp her as moral judgment. It's subtext.

[(Anonymous)]

I would agree with this secret if it wasn't for your point about Act II's plot.

I personally never read it as a judgment, direct or indirect, but it very easily can be read that way, and while I don't view it that way I always have noticed the timing. So I'm not sure how most people would interpret it, but we really don't need more media vilifying a woman in an affair specifically when a man at least shares the responsibility.

Honestly, her death is one of my favorites, because I always read it as a sad conclusion of her own character arc. She got what she wanted, what she seemed to have been privately wishing for - the attentions of a prince - and discovered it wasn't all she thought it would be. But she didn't get the chance to really appreciate this knowledge because of the mess everyone had made.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked her character a lot, but her death is just so pivotal, as well as her self-realization before. That'd be like remaking Final Fantasy VII and keeping Aeris alive.

[(Anonymous)]

I just want them to take the cheap way out and have her emerge from the woods in the end like, "shit that was a deep hole I fell into! Nice work on the giant, btw, but you could have looked for me."

[(Anonymous)]

Sondheim has said there's no affair in the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Whaaaaat?!

The scene and the wife's following song are like, the most important scenes in the play, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

...Has he said anything about the sexual predator overtones in the Wolf?

[(Anonymous)]

I could have sworn I read the exact opposite statement from him in EW...

In any case, "Moments in the Woods" is on the soundtrack CD, which I am waiting impatiently for someone to leak, although the "Agony reprise" isn't. That one I'll miss -- dwarves are very upsetting!

[(Anonymous)]

Source?

Op

[(Anonymous)]

turns out he was misquoted.

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/sondheim-issues-response-following-report-of-disney-into-the-woods-film-cha-322818

[(Anonymous)]

This is the first I've heard of this change, and honestly I am now super fucking upset. Which, I mean, I've been upset since I heard that Disney was adapting a Sondheim musical because it's like trying to turn the movie 300 into a children's book, except more artistically wrong, but this really takes the cake. Especially since I had begun to tentatively trust/hope they wouldn't fuck this up entirely.

I swear to god I am going to despise the whole generation of children/adolescents who will grow up thinking *this* is Into the Woods.

[otakugal15]

That picture looks like Katrina from Sleepy Hollow

[(Anonymous)]

Oh good, wasn't just me then.

[(Anonymous)]

But the entire point of the Second Act was that life isn't a storybook, things happen for random reasons, there's consequences for actions, and Happily Ever After isn't easily earned.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, yes, yes. So much this. I don't know where the perception that it's 'punishment' crept in.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the movie was making it even more like punishment than the musical did. No source, just hearsay on the Internet.

[(Anonymous)]

the Internet also said that Kingdom Hearts 3 was going to have an Atlantis level.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, her bit in "No One is Alone" is one of very few scenes that ALWAYS makes me cry. . .I feel like removing her death would give a lot less heft to the end.

I do think there's a touch of narrative punishment, but I think it's a lot more conflicted than in most cases--it's very much tied in with the ideas of arbitrary roles and classifications that the musical is unpacking.