[ SECRET POST #2902 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2902 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Which is why you instead want to pay everyone (not just artists) a decent living wage just for being alive. Then they can work on what they are good at, and no artist, for instance, would have to be afraid of doing the art they want to do, including government critical art.

Yes, I am serious. And no, I don't think the majority of people would just slack off and not go to work.

[kallanda_lee]

My issue with basic income is - where does it actually just come from? How do you make it self-sustaining...and how do you transition in the first place?

[lilacsigil]

The Greens did a study in the UK and found that the current cost of paying and administering benefits (the aged pension, disability pension, unemployment, child payments etc.) pretty much equalled the cost of just giving everyone a basic income. So you get rid of that giant and cruel bureaucracy and use the money to pay everyone. If you want more money than that, you go to work. Taxation continues in the same way as it currently does.

[kallanda_lee]

Interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, one reason I started favoring a generous basic income guarantee (or negative income tax) was that I wanted my artist friends to be able to work on art. The artists have a cushion when they aren't selling well, and their potential customers have more money to spend, so they may get more demand.

Maybe that's naive, I don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't Switzerland or some other country actually do a trial run of that system at some point?

[(Anonymous)]

Citizen's Basic Income! It's getting some critical traction in the UK at the moment (not that I think it will happen, but it's at least starting debate.)

[(Anonymous)]

funnily enough, that is mostly what happened to USSR too
people tend to forget that somehow
but USSR was not all bad

[ibbity]

except for the whole gulag thing, and the holodomor, and the KGB, and "the government pretends to pay us and we pretend to work," and the fact that when the berlin wall came down everybody with a tv could see how much crappier literally everything was in the Soviet territory than the non-Soviet territory, and the fact that many of the ex-Soviet states have still not fully recovered economically or corruption-wise from the mess the Soviets made of their governments. but hey if you wanna idealize the people who did all that shiz for *supposedly* giving a living income to their citzens (spoiler most people were crushingly poor under the Soviets), who are people who have actually studied history and had in-depth discussions with citizens of ex-Soviet states to disagree.

[dreemyweird]

fucking thank you. and somehow people still wonder why some of the countries belonging to the post-Soviet space are now so royally messed up in terms of politics.