[ SECRET POST #2904 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2904 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

While I get that the lack of male sexualization is frustrating, it bothers me that people are really insistent on any women sexualization is sexist. Additionally, I don't think objectification is inherently bad either, especially in porn.

[(Anonymous)]

You realize the porn industry is full of shady deals that often fuck over the women, things done without consent, trafficking, etc?

[(Anonymous)]

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that's not a theoretical problem with pornography, that's an objection to the porn industry

i think that is an important distinction here

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the distinction matters. Porn's abuses are part of the package. Ethically-made porn is an unpopular, uncompetitive exception.

[(Anonymous)]

depends on what medium you consume

written and drawn are pretty much guaranteed to be real person abuse-free

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, snap. You got me, you clever bastard.

[(Anonymous)]

"Ethically-made porn is an unpopular, uncompetitive exception."

Source? I find that rather hard to believe, that porn is only successful if the participants are unwilling or something.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not so much that porn is only successful when it's CONSPICUOUSLY unwilling, it's that the porn industry is unconcerned with the mental and physical health of its performers, recruits them via coercion and any attempts to regulate the industry to prevent these things are deflected.

Studios that don't do these things are a kind of 'alternative' porn.

[(Anonymous)]

So they're like any other industry? Lol.

Sounds like a massive jump to assume any industry that doesn't coerce its actors to be "alternative". Gonna have to remain suspicious on your claims.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but that doesn't mean objectification is inherently bad. To clarify, porn's one context I think it's reasonable to have objectification in.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it'd be better if there were a larger selection of porn for women. There really isn't as widespread a selection, because women's sexuality is still largely regarded as for men. Even lesbian porn is largely geared toward men enjoying it.

[(Anonymous)]

that doesn't mean objectification for men is bad tho

that just means there should be more objectification for women, which i think is true and correct and right

[(Anonymous)]

Um... you're in a community based largely around porn for women. Indeed, it's one of the largest and longest-lived subcultures in the world, and it's largely about porn for women. Even outside fandom, porn for women is the single largest genre in publishing and has been for decades.

I think the problem is that you're insisting on a definition of porn that suits what you want to believe.

[(Anonymous)]

This! Everytime I see "porn for women" as in Videos, I laugh my ass off. It just doesn't work, or at least, never has for me. It's just too governed by cliches of what women are supposed to enjoy. But from my experience, and second hand experience from other people in various fandoms, most women seem to simply not need close ups of "the real deal" as much as the right scenario, character dynamics and some sort of narrative continuity through a sex scene.

[(Anonymous)]

considering that klk is an anime, and there are approximately 289073406702 series that physically objectify women, and there's basically........... one that really objectifies men (thank you free! for existing), you can't imagine why women might see it as sexist?

[(Anonymous)]

+100000. i'm confused at the comments here. secret shows an anime. secret says "shows/games", and I'm assuming they mean anime type of thing. so what does porn have to do anything?

[(Anonymous)]

KLK objectifies men too, though? They wear the same amount (or lack thereof) as the female characters. You can try to handwave it away as "oh that's in a humorous context so it doesn't count as sexualization", but that's how the show approaches the women too. The entire series is silly.

[(Anonymous)]

the girls in lingerie show up WAY before the dudes, though, and spend much more time in it than the guys.

[(Anonymous)]

That's because the Series is about the women. Would you like less screentime for the women?

[(Anonymous)]

The only characters who get more screen time than the rest are Satsuki and Ryuko because the show is about them. The male characters (Aikuro, Tsumugu, Uzu, Gamagoori, Inumuta) all get the same amount of screen time as the secondary female characters. Aikuro starts stripping in like episode 3 and Uzu spends most of his screen time completely naked.

[(Anonymous)]

...You shouldn't make generalizations about anime when you obviously watched less than 10 shows.

It's pretty laughable that you actually think that Free is the only anime that objectifies men.