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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-17 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2906 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2906 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. But there are also lots of women into vanilla sex or even in BDSM where they are in the dominant role. And yet it is all but impossible to get femdom or vanilla porn that doesn't have hint of gender roles, alpha males, or BDSM in all but name published. So this isn't just about women's fantasies. It is about focusing on the fantasies of one particular set of women, fantasies that play into society's gender norms, and ignoring the fantasies of women that are outside those norms.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Well, men control most of the live action porn industry. So it shouldn't be much of a surprise that they tend to make porn that supports the structure that favours men.

Hooray for porny fanart. Much more representative.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Well, yes. Exactly. Which is why I think that there is a difference between criticizing women for liking romance novels and criticizing the industry that controls what gets published.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, ease of access has a great influence on what you like, and until recently, before the internet, it was hard to get much choice except that overwhelmingly controlled by men. The only other option was to write your own erotica/drew your own erotic art (which I did from when I was a teenager).

If you only see a certain genre as you grow up, the chances are that will become come fixed as the thing you expect and look for. Most people aren't writers and/or porn actors/erotic artists.

The growth of internet amateur erotica, especially slash, is actually pretty exciting. I think it's still in its infancy, and might be more powerful than just a way for millions of women to get off. It has the potential to change how we see women's sexuality.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
Listen, far be it from me to defend the porn industry, but that shit is unrestrained capitalism at its finest. The porn industry, in general, does not give a single shit about what they're making porn about. They'll just follow the trends and make what people want to watch.

That doesn't mean that sexism doesn't play a role! You could certainly argue that it plays a role in determining sexual desires and hence what the market wants. But I find it difficult to believe that the porn industry is enforcing patriarchal sexual practices through its production.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

I think we're actually in agreement?

Until recently, the ones who paid money for porn were overwhelmingly men.

So capitalism decreed that the market supplied porn that overwhelmingly catered to men.

ie enforcing patriarchal sexual practices through its production.

I never said they did it on purpose. On the contrary, they did it because that's what made the most money, and was the most mainstream. Isn't that the whole point?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I guess I was reading "men control the porn industry" in the sense "men own the porn companies and make decisions about what kind of porn to make"

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
They're not enforcing it, but there's no drive to challenge it, either. Capitalism is also lazy and opportunistic, people don't take risks with different strategies so long as the same old ones are turning just enough of a buck. This isn't a condemnation, either, I'm just saying that capitalism isn't that unrestrained.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
I think the industry is big enough that this isn't true.

Look at CFNM stuff - it started as, frankly, a really weirdo niche thing, and then the big companies noticed it getting popular and now pretty much all the big names have their own CFNM line.

Yeah, the large players aren't going to be innovators, but the conditions of the industry are such that they don't really have to be the ones to do it.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-12-18 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
thank you