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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-17 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2906 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2906 ⌋

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diet_poison: (Default)

Re: unpopular opinions

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-12-24 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
Okay.

So do you think that forcing an arrest in a situation that may cause death is necessary to save other lives in other situations?

Basically, where do you draw the line? I think I just don't agree with where you are drawing it.
ill_omened: (Default)

Re: unpopular opinions

[personal profile] ill_omened 2014-12-24 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Literally ever single situation where force has to be used may lead to death.

Do you think that an officer should never arrest for a non-violent offence, and if someone is unwilling to comply with officers or the justice system we should be unable to enforce our will as a society?

Y/N?

Because that is the line where you're drawing it.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: unpopular opinions

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-12-24 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm.

Well, that's a good question.

I do think part of the problem is with the law - we arrest for offenses that shouldn't even be illegal (that is not the cops' fault, they are just doing their jobs). I have a hard time justifying using potentially lethal force on someone for selling loosies. But there are other non-violent crimes for which I'd give a different answer (though always, care should be taken to minimize the chance of death or injury as much as possible).

And that's the other part of it - there isn't as much emphasis as there should be on the value of human lives and attempting to make all force non-lethal. Yes, there will be the risk of death, but that isn't an excuse to do everything you can to minimize that risk. It sounds like a very casual approach to the value of anyone's life if they happen to break a minor law.

And at any rate, I believe the officer who tackled and choked Eric Garner used lethal force by a big margin. We seem to have watched two different videos, so I guess we're at an impasse with that one.