[ SECRET POST #2916 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2916 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Friend's skill-set aside, I'm a little more stuck on your comment about being uncomfortable with profiting off fanfiction. I've never understood why fanart commissions are so much more commonplace than fic.

[(Anonymous)]

I will try to answer this from the perspective of someone who has never seriously considered either, but has interacted with people who sold both. Basically, I think a large part of the issue is that fanart tends to be much more self-contained. A person can buy a piece of fanart and dictate what happens in it down to the finest details. But when buying a chapter of a fanfic, they generally can't get that specific because it messes with the plot.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say it's because most people think selling fanart is okay (for reasons I don't entirely agree with or find logical, like 'oh but it's the cost of suppppliiiies!'), but they do not feel the same way about fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

Because art as a medium (within and without fandom) is generally considered more valuable/worthwhile/worth paying for than writing.

Because it's easier -- or murkier, depending on your POV -- to cite the derivative work defence on selling a standalone piece of fanart than it would be to sell fanfic than cannot stand alone without borrowing copious amounts from the original for it to make sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Except when people sell books and try to get you to do cover art for free. :/

[(Anonymous)]

Selling editing versus selling fanfic - what are people's thoughts on that?

My opinions are that it's a completely different ball game. Something akin to selling art materials which then go on to be used to make fanart, perhaps?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Well editing is a skillset that you own and are fully entitled to sell or do with as you like, so... apples and oranges, really.

[(Anonymous)]

DA--I also think editing is a different kettle of fish, a skill that could be applied to fanfic or original writing, and I don't think there's a problem with that in and of itself.

[(Anonymous)]

Because artist are fandom's darlings, so they can do anything they want and get payed for it not matter what (yes, even people who trace because REASONS).

Writers should just shut-up and write. Any writer who expects anything (even *comments*) is a worthless attention whore, so obviously commissions are a big no.

(For whatever is worth, I don't like mixing fanworks and money, but I hate how writers should give to the fandom and never expect anything, while artist are the special snowflakes who deserves whatever they want)

[(Anonymous)]

I hate that artists get special treatment, but I don't think that anyone in fandom should expect compensation (even in the form of attention/comments) for their fanworks.

[(Anonymous)]

"Any writer who expects anything (even *comments*) is a worthless attention whore"

OMFG shut the fuck up you fucking asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the anon you replied to was being sarcastic.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

As the other anon said, I was being sarcastic, though I get why you took it seriously since is such a common opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL it's true though. You still see a bunch of people begging for comments, likes, kudos etc. Comments are a bonus for me, not a necessity.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know why, but this comment reminds me of this thing I saw getting passed around tumblr a little bit ago. It was a short comic about a fanartist getting really upset and deleting their art because they only got 5 notes. And the whole point of it was to tell people, "LIKES MEAN NOTHING. REBLOG ART IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT AN ARTIST."

And all I could think was, "I'm over the moon when I get 5 notes on a piece of writing."

[(Anonymous)]

OMG same here. If I get over 20 notes, I consider it a success.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this attitude in fandom comes from the idea that you have to be talented to be an artist but anyone can write...even though the piles and piles of terrible fanfic out there prove that it's not so easy to write well of in-character. But still the idea persists, that fandom artists should be praised and coddled because fanart is hard to do well and fanfic is easy (even though most of the people who probably hold this idea couldn't write a long plotty in-character multipart fic any more than they could draw an amazing piece of art).

[(Anonymous)]

da

tbh I see plenty of terrible writers who're coddled and told their work is amazing when it sucks balls too, which doesn't help matters. It perpetuates the idea that people will take any old dreck when it comes to fanfic but they're somehow more discerning when it comes to art.

[(Anonymous)]

The number of genuinely terrible fics that are hugely popular in some of my fandoms is proof of this much.

[(Anonymous)]

But people really aren't anymore discerning when it comes to art, that's the weird thing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I won't be surprised if that's the main reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of that attitude around, though it's sometimes unconscious.

[(Anonymous)]

Because fanart takes a bit more skill than a shitty fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

Good fanart does, yes. But I can draw shitty fanart much faster than you can write a shitty fanfic, so your comparison doesn't make any sense at all.