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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-29 06:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #2918 ]


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loracarol: (nekkid people are funny)

Re: fandom logic questions...

[personal profile] loracarol 2014-12-30 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't think that he was murdered the next year, I thought the ghost of Christmas future just showed Scrooge a possible future of his, and his death at that point, same as the ghost of Christmas past didn't show him the year before, but took him to Christmas's in his youth.

(Disclaimer: I'm basing my thoughts off the most recent version I watched, which was the Muppet's one.)

So. Ghost of Christmas future didn't show Scrooge the next year, it just showed Scrooge his death, at whatever point in the future would be. Possibly Scrooge would still die at the same point in time, but with a different aftermath (people caring about him, and being sad about his death vs. the death he got).
sarillia: (Default)

Re: fandom logic questions...

[personal profile] sarillia 2014-12-30 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
The only reason I think he lived for much longer than that is because it says "and it was always said that he knew how to keep Christmas well if anyone alive possessed the knowledge" which implies that he was consistently kind and generous at Christmas for long enough to override his previous reputation. And his original death seemed fairly soon because the people around him didn't seem much older. In my favorite version (Scrooge with Alastair Sim) the same old undertaker who was there when Marley died is the one who goes to pawn his stuff after he dies.
slashgirl: (gcangelic)

Re: fandom logic questions...

[personal profile] slashgirl 2014-12-30 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think the canon says the future is written in stone (iirc). Therefore, seeing his own future changed Scrooge's behaviour. Those changes (even one) meant the future he was shown wouldn't happen. It makes sense to me because I don't see the future as a fixed thing. Our actions and choices change what our future will be.
sarillia: (Default)

Re: fandom logic questions...

[personal profile] sarillia 2014-12-30 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Well yeah, I understand that. That's the whole idea. But why does being kinder change his life in that particular way?
loracarol: (mission: fish)

Re: fandom logic questions...

[personal profile] loracarol 2014-12-30 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
Oh see, that's interesting! In the version(s) I've seen (Muppet, and I think one of the musicals), there was no one in that position of the undertaker that would imply the time line.

Hmmmm, as for why in your version... Perhaps it was something where he was injured, and had no one to help him? Even getting sick might have killed him, if he was too ill to leave his house, and his reputation as such was that no one went in to check on him. Add in him being a cheapskate, and not going for a good doctor, and I could see him dying quite easily.

Add friends, people willing to help him out with his illness/get him food/etc. and him potentially being able to afford a better doctor (the same one that he got for Tiny Tim? That's a thing, right, I'm not misremembering), and it's possible that he would survive a couple of years still.
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Re: fandom logic questions...

[personal profile] sarillia 2014-12-30 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah that's the best explanation I've heard.