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(Anonymous) 2015-01-01 11:29 am (UTC)(link)but either way,you can't disconnect Nazism from nearly 2000 years of Jew-hating. It was an ideology that was worse than others, yes, and more capable and concentrated than others, but it didn't come out of nowhere.
Part of the reason it succeeded was because of rampant hatred for the Jews, they just legitimized it. You can't say that "oh, most of Europe really hated Jews but Nazism had nothing to do with that".
But if you really want to learn, I recommend reading actual books on the subject rather than trusting a silly thread in f!s.
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(Anonymous) 2015-01-01 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)I can and do disconnect it. This is precisely what I think: that modern 19th and 20th century antisemitism was a distinct thing and not simply the culmination of a tradition or the result of something intrinsic to Christian European society.
It was an ideology that was worse than others, yes, and more capable and concentrated than others, but it didn't come out of nowhere.
Yes, that is true, insofar as modern antisemitism was fairly widespread through Europe, but that doesn't entail a continuity with every incident of antisemitism everywhere.
Part of the reason it succeeded was because of rampant hatred for the Jews, they just legitimized it. You can't say that "oh, most of Europe really hated Jews but Nazism had nothing to do with that".
Again, yes and no. It is true that there were many places in Europe that were fundamentally antisemitic, and that this helped the Nazis, but it's equally true that there were places that weren't. See for reference Italy, Denmark, and Bulgaria, none of which gave up many Jews at all to the Nazis. And I think that's kind of a problem for an argument that wants to talk about a general and continuous European antisemitism.
More broadly, I would contend, again, that the fact that there was antisemitism in Europe dies not imply that all antisemitism is part of precisely the same body and all of a kind.
But if you really want to learn, I recommend reading actual books on the subject rather than trusting a silly thread in f!s.
I have, in fact, read actual books on the matter as well as taken classes on it (if you'd like to insult my sources instead of me, I'm mostly following Hilberg and Arendt). But I am sure you are right & there's just no way someone could disagree with you without being ignorant or villainous.