[ SECRET POST #2926 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2926 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/CmketVS.png

[feotakahari]

Would it be missing the point completely to argue which is better?

[(Anonymous)]

I really disliked the first anime. I hadn't read the manga, so it wasn't even a matter of "they changed it, now it sucks". It wasn't until my friend started loaning me the manga that I became a FMA fan.

That said, I didn't really care for Brotherhood, either, even though it followed the manga. I couldn't even tell you why. I'd just as soon reread the manga and ignore both anime adaptions.

[feotakahari]

I'd argue something similar. One of the awesome things about the FMA manga is that it doesn't go in for the "cool but random" worldbuilding of a lot of shonen. It feels like a self-consistent setting that could actually exist. The first anime feels self-consistent while it follows the manga, then throws that out and gets all cool. On the other hand, Brotherhood is so manga-consistent that there's really no reason not to just read the manga.

[type_wild]

I have to ask: how are there ship wars between those two? I never saw Brotherhood, but IIRC canon romance in the first one was pretty much limited to Hughes and his wife.

[(Anonymous)]

There was also strong signs of Roy/Riza.

--But basically I suspect OP means people are hating the second one as a proxy for hating Ed/Winry.

[(Anonymous)]

Well in Brotherhood Ed and Winry end up together and Roy and Riza were implied to have feelings for one another. I'm assuming that is a point of contention for Ed/Roy shippers, whose pairing is pretty limited to the 2003 anime. This is what I'm assuming, anyhow.

[(Anonymous)]

I would love to see who calls Brotherhood (and the manga?) unfeminist. I genuinely would. Because everyone I know holds it up as having the best female characters in anything EVER, and even uses that to bash other works that aren't anything like FMA because ARAKAWA DOES FEMALE CHARACTERS SO MUCH BETTER! STOP PRAISING FEMALE CHARACTERS IN THIS OTHER THING AND READ FMA INSTEAD!

[likeadeuce]

Ehh, that's obnoxious no matter who's doing it.

[dragonimp]

There are passionate arguments on both sides, which I'm not going to dig up because I really really don't need to get into that kind of thing again. But there are plenty of people who don't think the manga/Brotherhood is particularly feminist. (I don't know of anyone going so far as to call it unfeminist, tho.)

[likeadeuce]

I'm with OP, I am so bored with this argument. I read the manga first, then tried the first anime but list interest when it diverged so I never got very far with it. But some people like it more power to them.

[(Anonymous)]

The fandom needs more people like you. Live and let live is the way to go.

(...also I love your fic.)

[likeadeuce]

<3

[caerbannog]

I like both ;-;

And the AU movie :D

[iggy]

I was super-duper into the first anime until about episode thirty, got increasingly frustrated and basically disliked the series by the end.

I tried the manga on a fluke a couple of years later, expecting to not be impressed, and it pretty much fixed all of the issues I had with the anime. Ended up loving it.

I think there's kind of a mindset that people who hate 2003 went into it intending to hate it (and possibly vice versa with Brotherhood), but for a lot of people it wasn't like that. We genuinely adored 2003 at first, watched it via fansubs as it was coming out. How much I was impressed by it made what it became an even more bitter pill to swallow. And I think that's why a lot of people who don't like 2003 are impassioned about it. Because it just... really was such a huge disappointment.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here to clarify what I meant by proxy ship wars (because ship wars have flared up recently, unfortunately). It's largely Royai fans (usually exclusively interested in BH) against Royed (more likely to be into both, but tending to prefer 03). Proxy ship wars because BH is better for Royai (and Edwin, though the more prominent people seem to be into Royai), and 03 is better for Royed. So I feel sometimes the reason one needs to be better is because if their's is the better canon, their's is the better ship. Or something. (Like I said, both sides are ridiculous.)

And sometimes it's unrelated to shipping, and it's still fucking obnoxious.

[(Anonymous)]

I always liked both. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a preference for Brotherhood.

I think the first anime had a way cooler concept for the homunculi and their fates as well as Ed and Al dealing with their mom. But I always felt like the ending/movie where they were just thrown into another world was so abrupt.

Plus Brotherhood has Oliver, so that's a bonus, and I am a sucker for happy endings. I just thought it came around full circle and was more satisfying.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

See, and this kind of thing is perfect and great. You state your personal preference, and your reaons for it, without trashing the other one. Most of the things people say could be said independent of each other. "I like A" does not need to come with "I hate B." Or honestly, vice versa. I don't think there would be as much negative reaction if people were willing to just say "I dislike X thing in A version" without adding "and that's why B is better."

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[(Anonymous)]

Image: two pieces of promo or cover art. One from Fullmetal Alchemist, the other from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
Text: (under the Fullmetal Alchemist picture)
The ending sucks!
It’s so unfeminist.
It’s way too grimdark.
The handling of the Ishvalans is problematic.

(under the Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood picture)
Ending is heteronormative.
It’s so unfeminist.
It’s way too happy.
The handling of the Ishvalans is problematic.

(Between and below the images, in larger text:) Every time I see a criticism of one version by someone who clearly likes the other more, it always sounds ridiculously biased. No, you’re not giving a good critique, you’re bashing one to elevate the other.

I’m actually interested in comparing the two. I’ve just never seen a comparison that wasn’t clearly written with ulterior motives.

Conscious or not.

S!B: Like hell do I want to keep fighting this battle. It was old five years ago.

And it’s not a fucking contest. You don’t win a prize for liking the “better” version.

And even worse, it sometimes smacks of a proxy for ship wars. I loathe ship wars.

[hands4healing]

What I liked about the 2003 anime:
1. Re-introduction to anime after being out of it for about 20 years.
2. Excellent music both Op/Ed and background music.
3. Homunculi were interesting as sympathetic villains.
4. Art was consistent throughout series.
5. Decent storytelling, up to a point.

What I didn't like:
1. All the filler episodes prior to Hughes' death.
2. Pretty much anything after Hughes died.
3. Retconning.
4. Ed looked like a blond Inuyasha.
5. Al didn't seem to have a personality of his own.

I loved the manga because Al's a smartass with just as much of an ego as Ed. I loved it because Winry doesn't have to have Ed to be happy, she's happy on her own - he's just a really sexy bonus. I loved it because Olivier Mille Armstrong is the scariest thing in the whole universe. I loved it because the storyline made sense - the brothers weren't just getting their bodies back, they were getting a family - and that didn't happen in the 2003 anime. They were too co-dependent to look beyond themselves for much of anything.

[dragonimp]

I'd honestly love to see an good critique of either or both, whether they were being compared or on their own. Both series have their flaws and both have their strong points. But at this point, ANYTHING like that would be tainted by that stupid fucking competition that certain (very vocal) fans seem to think there needs to be.

[estelle_bright]

I saw the first anime first, and well, I just enjoyed it so much that while I've tried to get into the others, I wasn't fond of seeing the changes to what I already liked. Not knocking it, it's just that I already had something I enjoyed to it's fullest extent, and so I couldn't really bother with the newer/or manga versions.

[type_wild]

Haha, this is me exactly. I tried reading the manga after watching the anime, but while I could recognise that this was really good stuff, I just couldn't handle the small but notable changes to that one story that had such a special place in my heart.

[estelle_bright]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. My friends adore the manga. I used to RP with people who played characters from it, and I had lots of fun and even liked those characters, but outside of that, I really wasn't into them.