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⌈ Secret Post #2926 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[lb_lee]

O_o I... don't quite understand this viewpoint, anon.

Yes, some characters like to go around going, "By the way, have I mentioned I'm heterosexual? Man, I am SO heterosexual. Like, the very IDEA of queerness makes me curl in a fetal position." But a lot of them just don't state it, because it just doesn't come up.

It doesn't seem OOC to me to have a character be queer if they just NEVER express a sexual preference in canon at all?

Then again, pretty much all my friends these days are queer, so in my case, yeah, actually, if you made a show about my social life, it would be the Rainbow Brigade, only you might not know it because we'd be busy making art or having meltdowns.

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

It just depends on the situation, but honestly, most characters DO express a sexual preference in canon. If they have a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, or express interest in somebody of the opposite sex, statistically speaking they are very likely straight. And they're certainly going to be perceived that way, because bisexuality is much rarer than homosexuality, which is already uncommon. So having one of those characters be bisexual is one thing, I can buy that, but several is just ridiculous. There just aren't that many statistically, so IMO you're going into bizarre territory that doesn't hold up to canon. And yeah, queer people do form communities, so you're going to find larger ratios of them together socially, but not when people are randomly thrown together.

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[lb_lee]

because bisexuality is much rarer than homosexuality

Uh, what? Where did you hear that, Anon? Because, um, the Kinsey Report REALLY disagrees with you. People who have some sexual experience with both sexes are MORE common than gay folks. (And in men, at least at the time of the study, guys with sexual experience with both were 46% of the population. Not exactly rare.)

And that was back in the 50s, one of the most repressed eras in the past century of US history.

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I should have said people who identify as bisexual.

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[lb_lee]

Wait, no, that still doesn't make sense. You weren't arguing that people who identify as bisexual are rare, you specifically said,

"If they have a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, or express interest in somebody of the opposite sex, statistically speaking they are very likely straight."

That is factually wrong. If 46% of men in the fifties had a same-sex experience, then it is actually FOLLOWING PROBABILITY to have half your male characters have at least one same-sex experience.

So what they identify as doesn't matter. It's their ACTIONS. Which is what fanfic is mostly writing about, unless characters are specifically stating their orientation.

Also, I have brought evidence to the table. Where is yours? Because right now, it feels like you're saying, "Bisexuals shouldn't exist much in fanfic because I say so," not out of any reason, logic, or evidence.

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in the case of characters in fics, I'm talking about them identifying as bi or gay, not just being a 2 on the scale. I genuinely don't want to get into the Kinsey scale study because this is besides the point of this debate, but given that most of the people in that study were interviewed on a volunteer basis, most of them being young, I would suggest that the results are highly skewed at best. As for my assertion that homosexuality and bisexuality are uncommon, I honestly can't believe you are asking for a source, because it's widely accepted fact, but okay? Go Google "how many people are gay or bi", and then click on the first 30 links that pop up. Every study shows anywhere from 3 to 9 percent of the population in the United States, with 9 being extremely generous, most are closer to 3-5%. People who identify as bisexual is always less than half of the percentage of people who identify as gay, usually around a third and sometimes around a fourth.

So what about that isn't rare?

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[stabbystabbyzebra]

A lot of people who are bisexual (as in they feel attracted to both sexes or have sexual encounters with both sexes) don't identify as bisexual. Part of that is because people tend to feel they have to "choose." Bisexuality has a really bad rap.

But anyway, when they have done studies of arousal, they actually found that bisexuality is more common than homosexuality.

Re: Fandom/fic trends that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

I don't find that hard to believe at all. But I also think that just because you are aroused by sexual material involving the other gender doesn't mean you'd want to have sex or be in a relationship with that gender, hence identifying as straight or as gay even if you have a modicum of attraction to the other gender.