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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-13 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2932 ]


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TW: rape, victim-blaming

[personal profile] aboutelle 2015-01-14 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
In school we had to read The Confusions of Young Törless which is a 1906 novel set in an Austrian boarding school and features two students blackmailing another student (because he stole money) and repeatedly raping him.

We spent nearly one whole lesson on disseminating what made Basini, the boy who was raped, a victim and how he totally deserved what he got because he should have just come clean about stealing. When I pointed out that coming clean about the stealing would most likely have resulted in Basini’s life being ruined, the teacher shut me up by asking „Would you have let someone do that to you?“

I meekly said „no“ but I really wish now I would have continued to defend Basini and pointed out the victim-blaming more clearly. I also wish I would have pointed out
1) how it’s really fucking unprofessional to turn the discussion from what a fictional character in a historical setting did to what I personally would do in a similar situation
2) how the question was clearly just meant to shut me up
3) how it’s not appropriate for a teacher to even hypothetically ask a student what they would do if they were raped by someone with power over them
4) how the question if someone let themself get raped is offensive in and of itself and
5) how he just assumed that the question to his answer would be negative without considering for a second that maybe me or another one of the students present at the time could have possibly been raped before.

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that teacher sounds like a dick.
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Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

[personal profile] aboutelle 2015-01-14 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
He was. Homophobe of the "says they're okay with gay people but treats anything other than heterosexuality as some kind of alien concept" variety too.

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Wow…your teacher is an asshole. Like a really huge asshole. Like, this behavior is so dickish I almost feel like he/she probably blackmailed someone and assaulted them similarly because their reaction is so fucked up.

Good for you for saying something though.

Your teacher's a shithead.

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Like, this behavior is so dickish I almost feel like he/she probably blackmailed someone and assaulted them similarly

I agree that they're a dick but that's quite a leap

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
yeah i know

it's why i said "almost" but seriously…

i think there's something wrong with that teacher

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
kind of off-topic, but what grade/country were you in when you were assigned the book? I'm just curious because after looking at a summary where it talks about how Basini falls in love with one of his rapists, it definitely seems like something I never would have been assigned in high school (maybe because I'm American? But maybe you are too idk). Were you in college?
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Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

[personal profile] aboutelle 2015-01-14 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I was in 12th or 13th grade (so we were about 17, 18 years old) in Germany. We had to read a lot of shit in school but that book was the one I hated the most. Not because it was so horrible in and of itself but mostly because of the thinly veiled homophobia of my teacher and stuff like above.

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Not OP, but we were assigned the book in ninth grade in Germany. We did all the shitty and fucked up 'classics' in ninth grade German. It's why I have a deep-seated hatred of all things Kafka-related.

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
That was my ninth grade too. We did some Poe, some Hawthorne, some Kafka, some Gogol, Macbeth, Things Fall Apart, and a novel about famine in India that I forget the title of.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Oh,God. Things Fall Apart.

I'd almost forgotten how much that book fucked me up.

Time to go sit in the corner and cry.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Nectar in the Sieve?

NGL, I loved Things Fall Apart. That was some real shit.

Re: TW: rape, victim-blaming

(Anonymous) 2015-01-14 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Your teacher's an asshole for pulling that. An absolute, utter asshole.