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I don't think that redistributing wealth would work all that well. Some people are completely hopeless with their finances (that's why Nigerian letters and such are so successful) and you'd have to somehow make certain that they wouldn't be dirt poor again after a few months of bad financial decisions. Taking the money away again from the more entrepreneurial people every couple of years would really piss people off.

Hence redistribution of wealth + education.

I think that ignorance is a bigger factor than stupidity in a lot of cases.

DA

You do realize communism only works on paper, right?

It's not communism. It's a one-time thing. Give people access to the same resources and education and let the chips fall where they may.

Some people will be short-changed, but I think it would greatly equalize the world (even though some imbalance would return).

And thus lead to less wars.

AYRT

Dude. One-time thing or not, it's still communism, and it wouldn't work. Everything looks good in theory, but once you add real, flawed people to the mix, even the best-intentioned systems break down. Because there will always be those who can and will game the system, those who lose out to those that do, and no amount of education can correct for psychopaths who are unable to be anything but corrupt.

I should add, I'm in favour of a balanced system, with an even mix of capitalism and socialism, just enough of each, to keep the other in check, because I think they are both imperfect systems. Taken together, they're not quite as bad as they both are, singly.

Dude. One-time thing or not, it's still communism, and it wouldn't work. Everything looks good in theory, but once you add real, flawed people to the mix, even the best-intentioned systems break down. Because there will always be those who can and will game the system, those who lose out to those that do, and no amount of education can correct for psychopaths who are unable to be anything but corrupt.

This is an amazingly bad critique of communism, given that it's a critique of the inability to build structures that function over the long term period. I see no prima facie reason why either capitalism or a mixed economy would be better equipped to deal with the problem of psychopaths. And in fact I think there's a good amount of evidence that laissez-faire capitalism is actually quite bad at dealing with it.

AYRT

"I see no prima facie reason why either capitalism or a mixed economy would be better equipped to deal with the problem of psychopaths. And in fact I think there's a good amount of evidence that laissez-faire capitalism is actually quite bad at dealing with it."

Did you read what I said at the end? I definitely don't favour laissez-faire capitalism at all, that's why I think two imperfect systems balance each other out when neither has absolute authority. (Maybe pertinent to mention I am a citizen of a Commonwealth country, so I am biased towards the Westminster system because in my opinion, it mostly works well.) Albeit, the two systems balance each other imperfectly, but there is no true perfect system of mass governance that doesn't have some issues.

I did, and I still stand by the argument that there's no reason to assume that a particular system deals with this problem in a better or worse way. You have to go to specifics.

The point re: laissez faire capitalism was more about reinforcing the point that these issues are not at all unique to capitalism, let alone to socialism more broadly.

Of course, there would be people who game the system. That doesn't mean it wouldn't work. Because you know what? At the end of the day, most people just want to be able to comfortably support themselves and their family.

Give everyone an equal chance to do that and I'm sure that 99% of wars would stop.

Would there still be some conflict? Yeah, of course, but not on the level of wars because not ENOUGH people would be screwed for it to come to that.

You realize that many of these poor people would be poor again within 5 years, and the new middle and upper classes (with a lot of the people from the old) would be more convinced then ever the class system works because some people deserve to be on the bottom, combined with a sense of furious entitlement and disdain for the leechs of society?

Why is that precisely

Except education doesn't necessarily fix stupidity. We've known for decades that smoking causes cancer, that unprotected sex can lead to problems, this information is everywhere and people still do it.

You can't educate away dumb. It just means you have more half-informed idiots.

Or perhaps they're making an educated choice that those behaviors are, to them, worth the risks.

na

idk, that just makes them even more dumb imo. like, if someone deeply contemplates the possible consequences of consistently having unprotected sex with random people and then goes "Yeah, okay, why not?" then I would assume that they're either wildly irresponsible or not very bright.

You're wildly missing the point, I think?

A one-time transfer of assets isn't as socially useful as a redistributive negative income tax.

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